NIN Skill speed and you

[Kaisersoke]

Ill start by saying ive been seeing a lot of misconceptions going around saying that skillspeed is a terrible stat and it takes hundreds of it just to reduce your global by .01, and Im here to clarify

Im currently running a skillspeed heavy NIN build, and as many other ninja will find, most of your gear will have rather large amounts of skill speed on it, but im here to say what nobody wants to hear. Skillspeed isnt all that bad. In Heavensward stat weights changed, changing the meta mostly to ACC>ilvl>secondaries, but for ninja, skillspeed, id say, is most likely still a pretty viable weight. I'm sitting at 793 skillspeed and I'm finding that roughly 25 skillspeed is .01s on the global. That means at around 720 or so skillspeed with huton, you will break the 2.00s global. lets compare that to a dragoons 2.40s global and we will find that in 3 minutes, we will execute about 15 more globals than a dragoon with their optimal skillspeed stat. Since NIN stat weights are not currently out, i cannot say that skillspeed is the best stat, hell, im not even going to say its good, but i will say that its effect is not negligible to NIN. What do you guys think?

[Aiselia]

I'm pretty sure that most people that say SS is bad on NIN aren't saying it from a "it takes too much" standpoint, but more a "It just makes it that much faster to run out of TP" standpoint.

Could be wrong, but that's what I tend to see.

[Kaisersoke]

Currently, NIN runs out of tp fast, regardless of your build, thats just gonna be a problem that square either fixes or ignores. there arent too many fights (while it def is a very big problem) that stretch your TP THAT much. AS2 comes to mind, but coupled with NINs trash aoe, theres no reason your nin shouldnt be in the gob for that fight.

[Mystina]

Ya its a tp issue, but also a mudra lag issue, too much skill speed coupled with mudra lag means you cant cast raiton at all basicly and suiton becomes a pain. couple of months after launch i was in a deep sks set, ever since i droped it and det for more crit, my dps skyrocket.

[Kaisersoke]

Ya its a tp issue, but also a mudra lag issue, too much skill speed coupled with mudra lag means you cant cast raiton at all basicly and suiton becomes a pain. couple of months after launch i was in a deep sks set, ever since i droped it and det for more crit, my dps skyrocket.

its p much impossible at any lategame scenario to drop sks and det for crit, most of your bis has ss and no crit on it. its pretty hard drop any secondary in favor of another, that along with the fact that we can force crit and negate crits on our two hardest hitters, kassatsu and duality, unless crit has some massive weights, i cant imagine your dps skyrocketed at all. its also worth noting we already get a flat 25% from IR AND a dragoons battle litany. dont take my numbers as fact here but the difference between a 2.05 gcd and a 2.00 gcd in 3 mins is about 3 globals, which at maximum, is around 90 net tp loss. 90 tp can easily be regained if you have a good mch or brd (or even a unlucky ast). 3 globals can be 500+ to 750+ potency depending on the combo used. i would think crit is too rng for it to keep up with that kinda solid potency at the cost of 90 more tp

[MrCookTM]

its p much impossible at any lategame scenario to drop sks and det for crit, most of your bis has ss and no crit on it. its pretty hard drop any secondary in favor of another, that along with the fact that we can force crit and negate crits on our two hardest hitters, kassatsu and duality, unless crit has some massive weights, i cant imagine your dps skyrocketed at all. its also worth noting we already get a flat 25% from IR AND a dragoons battle litany. dont take my numbers as fact here but the difference between a 2.05 gcd and a 2.00 gcd in 3 mins is about 3 globals, which at maximum, is around 90 net tp loss. 90 tp can easily be regained if you have a good mch or brd (or even a unlucky ast). 3 globals can be 500+ to 750+ potency depending on the combo used. i would think crit is too rng for it to keep up with that kinda solid potency at the cost of 90 more tp

I don't know your BiS list, but what's currently considered BiS for Nin has like 750 to 800 Vrit and very little SkS.

[Kaisersoke]

I don't know your BiS list, but what's currently considered BiS for Nin has like 750 to 800 Vrit and very little SkS.

please provide your source

[Kaisersoke]

also; skillspeed doesnt affect mudra, if you cannot cast raiton or suiton that is actual lag, or user error. i cast raiton perfectly fine every mudra

[Subucnimorning]

also; skillspeed doesnt affect mudra, if you cannot cast raiton or suiton that is actual lag, or user error. i cast raiton perfectly fine every mudra

Skillspeed does affect mudra in the sense that you will GCD clip more often the faster your GCD is from skillspeed, which, I believe, is the point they were getting at. You may be casting raiton "fine" but you are clipping.