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  1. #191
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    Elamys's Avatar
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    Song Sparrow
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    Balmung
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by KiraKarea View Post
    I find it difficult to believe that WHM got 3 offensive spells out of 5 total just for leveling purposes in DW where they could level to 60 just fine with Stone II, Aero II and Holy (correct me if I'm wrong). Also, Assize reads "Wait, can't I possibly do a bit of a dps here instead of just casting medica...", imo..
    I imagine the upgrades are because of the small potency of the lower level spells.

    They can't give the lower level spells too high of a potency that would make them work well at higher levels. But if you tried to level with just, say, Aero and Stone 1, it would take you ages to kill anything. It was a pretty noticeable jump when I got Stone 3 in the speed of me killing things - I just got to 60 about a week ago, so it's all fresh for me still. Spamming Holy is pretty MP inefficient since it will chew through your entire bar in a few casts and not really do that much for you.

    Is it possible that they want healers to DPS a bit? Sure. Assize doing damage was probably added for that purpose, but it's also not only for damage. But first and foremost, healers are given damaging spells to progress through solo content.

    I think it is a good thing to weave in some DPS when you're healing, but I don't think a healer is bad for not DPSing. And I think it's really pitiful when a party really -needs- a healer's DPS in order to kill things.
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  2. #192
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    Jazuke's Avatar
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    Jazuke Taizago
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    Ragnarok
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    I agree with this statement. I couldn't not said it better, so i take my leave. No words from me is any better then that. I salute you and surrender this topic to you, gentlemen/ladies. Take care and stay strong!
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  3. #193
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    Taylor Swiftcast
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    Brynhildr
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    Conjurer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Elamys View Post
    but I don't think a healer is bad for not DPSing. And I think it's really pitiful when a party really -needs- a healer's DPS in order to kill things.
    Maybe not bad, per se, but they aren't good. A good BLM uses Apocatastasis. A good SMN uses Virus and Eye for an Eye, a good BRD uses his songs, a good MCH uses Promotion, a good WAR uses Storm's Path, a good PLD uses Cover, Divine Veil, and Clemency, a good NIN uses Shadewalker, Smoke Screen and Goad, a good MNK uses Mantra, and a good healer DPSes.

    If you're failing at your own role, you're bad. A SMN not using Dreadwyrm stance is bad, a WHM letting a tank die is bad, a PLD not using cooldowns well is bad. But if a player isn't using all the tools they can to help their group, then they definitely aren't good, even if that help falls outside their Holy Trinity role.
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  4. #194
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Twintania
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    ...Lol I've never used Apocatastasis. Really most of you here aren't the right kind of people to pass judgment on anyone.

    Anyhow, well I'm only 33WHM, but I find that sometimes it's impossible to DPS. If I put up cleric, and start stone, the tank is about to die mid cast -.-. And this is FROM full health. Yeah, the ability to DPS is largely dependent on the tank you have.
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  5. #195
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    Archaell's Avatar
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    Arch Idealist
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    Alpha
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    Blacksmith Lv 100
    If healers who do not dps are bad healers, what are DDs who do not dps? They can't be just bad, because focusing on your role is considered bad, so what are they then?
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  6. #196
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    Malevicton's Avatar
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    Zappa Dattic
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    Behemoth
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    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    ...Lol I've never used Apocatastasis. Really most of you here aren't the right kind of people to pass judgment on anyone.
    Really bad timing on that second sentence. Apoca's awesome. If you've literally never used it then you probably shouldn't pass judgement either :P
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    When in doubt, assume sarcasm

  7. #197
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    AeraLure's Avatar
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    Aera Lure
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    Cactuar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Trashy View Post
    a WHM letting a tank die is bad
    Obviously it's not that straightforward. I take it personally when anyone dies, but some tanks really make an effort.
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  8. #198
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    Miranda Madison
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    I feel like shit everytime someone dies under my watch. Preventing that motivates me to stay on top of my game.
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  9. #199
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    Twilite's Avatar
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    Miranda Madison
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    Really bad timing on that second sentence. Apoca's awesome. If you've literally never used it then you probably shouldn't pass judgement either :P
    Well actually that was a misunderstanding on my part. I confused that with that other spell that teleports you. Now that I know what it is, yeah I'll start using it.

    However some of the worst people this planet has had the unfortunate event of having exist on it, post on these forums. Just read general discussion, heh.
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  10. #200
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    Archaell's Avatar
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    Arch Idealist
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    Alpha
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    Blacksmith Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Twilite View Post
    I feel like shit everytime someone dies under my watch. Preventing that motivates me to stay on top of my game.
    That's how the most of healers feel.

    Dpsing as healer takes a lot of awarness and sklil - you also need faith in your team. Should you heal this guy to full, or would they be able to avoid the next aoe, in which case regen would be enough? Some healers just don't have balls to risk such gamble. Some can't stand being blamed for the fails. Healing only isn't being lazy... it is playing it safe.
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