Are healers lazy or do some really live by "I only heal"?

[KingOfAbyss]

So as a main lvl 60 PLD with ilvl 190+ gear, it pains me to see a healer stand around doing nothing when I'm clearly near full health and don't require any healing for at least 4-5 seconds. (Even more so when fighting bosses and they are casting an attack)

I usually find this behavior in my expert duty roulette. Sometimes I inspect the healer gear and they have 190 alex gear, which means they obviously should know how to dps and heal.

I understand that some players religiously believe in the phrase, "I'm a healer so I only heal." which is fine if that's what they believe. I guess I'm just looking for answers as to why players who play like that find it fun? I've started a healer and I find it so much fun having to balance watching when to heal and deal damage in between.

When I heal, I start with getting used to the trial/Dungeon, my gear, and then others.

So I'll focus more on making sure my party will stay alive al lthe time (more DPS) than one to die and respawn (less DPS)

Once I'm more comfortable with it, I will throw some DPS on the mobs. (well, one Aero is quite easy to throw without wrecking it all)

Same with Tanking: I'll play full VIT until I'm comfortable with the Dungeons, then start using STR accessories and gear until I feel ok with it.

No matter what you do, it's your game. I don't personally care if we end up 5-10 mins more than 3rd apps could expect you to do.

That's not how I view a game. Fun comes the way you want it.

Some will try to be elite: Then ask for elite teams around, and you'll find your way.

Others will focus on RP: they use LS and are standing in town or wherever, having their own fun.

For others, they'll be viewed as doing nothing, a.k.a Lazy..

To each their own, if some wants the best there is, they make friends or Party Finder.

Others will be satisfied with less-than-elite.

Both of them are equals: FUN for them.

My GF just started playing, she's a WHM and is quite afraid of not doing the right thing. Turns out quite well, and eventually she'll find her favorite playstyle.

Wish you lots of FUN in the great game! ^^

/Cheer

[ElanVelius]

So as a main lvl 60 PLD with ilvl 190+ gear, it pains me to see a healer stand around doing nothing when I'm clearly near full health and don't require any healing for at least 4-5 seconds. (Even more so when fighting bosses and they are casting an attack)

And here I thought I was just getting rotten luck or maybe I missed something from the last patch. Happens ALL THE TIME. Had one healer just jumping around staying at 90% mana the entire run because he only had to cast heal every 8-10s. Had another that was playing firefighter and casting his baby heal after every. single. attack. We could have easily cleared the place 4-5 minutes (read: 20-25%) faster if they had so much as put dots up and occasionally AoE'd

[Whiteroom]

I went to just healing in ex roulette just now. Queued into fractal and everyone looked to be 190+. I obviously thought, good, a nice quick run. The burn ended up being about the same as you would see at ilvl 160, the tank didn't seem to be dodging anything or using cooldowns, at one point, they all even managed to get hit by the minataurs 111 tonze swing.

If they couldn't be bothered to play at an even mediocre level, I wasn't going all out for them. It was a true case of gear not making the player. It was a drg/blm combo too, not like a brd/mch combo, where you would expect a little less burn.


The above is an example of all players not playing optimally in their role, not just healers. You have tanks who won't try to maximise dps, or use defensve cooldowns, or dodge. You have dps who wont dodge, or use aggro dropping skills, because its the healers job to keep the alive, and the tanks job to keep the enemies off of them. It is a player problem not a role problem.

Example: not once, while tanking, have I seen that dragoon who attacks the mob furthest down the hate board use elusive jump to drop aggo.

[Gralna]

For me, as long as party isn't dying from lack of heals, healer can do whatever they want. If duty takes longer because they don't want to dps, oh well, I'm in no hurry. Of course, when I queue for DF, I always make sure I have 90 min available to dedicate to it, never know what you're going to get.

Personally though I usually try to dps when I can on my Sch, but that's mostly because I get bored just standing there.

Everyone has different play styles, as long as people aren't dying and content is cleared, there is no "wrong" way.

[Jinrya-Geki]

From my experience, I panic if I try to DPS and the Tank goes from 12k Hp to under half in a literal second. Usually ending up spam healing. But I am not a Main healer. Still pushing buttons and hoping it's relevant to the situation.

[Blood-Aki]

It's just being lazy, For all you know they could be munching on a sandwich while watching your health. I pretty much have to dps if tanks aren't taking large amounts of damage or i will seriously fall asleep, Not that Healers are boring, it's the dungeons that i'm sick of.

[fm_fenrir]

Example: not once, while tanking, have I seen that dragoon who attacks the mob furthest down the hate board use elusive jump to drop aggo.

Two things on DRG in experts: Elusive jump is on such a long CD that you don't really want to blow it to ditch trash back on the tank, since you certainly have enough HP (just over 13k with tank in group) to facetank one trash mob while the tank gets around to you. Relatedly, as a DRG you have more than enough HP to suck up 111 tonze swing and dive right back in, which isn't nice to see as a healer but it's dps calculus. 7k damage for swing, which you can get back with bloodbath/life surge, versus having to abort a buffed attack run (or lose blood of the dragon) because of swing...

Also, as tank, I always encourage healers to dps if they feel comfortable. Not going to complain if they choose to healbot instead, that's their jollies I guess, but I know some healers get bored if they don't get to ride the razor's edge with cleric's on big pulls.

[Whiteroom]

Two things on DRG in experts: Elusive jump is on such a long CD that you don't really want to blow it to ditch trash back on the tank, since you certainly have enough HP (just over 13k with tank in group) to facetank one trash mob while the tank gets around to you. Relatedly, as a DRG you have more than enough HP to suck up 111 tonze swing and dive right back in, which isn't nice to see as a healer but it's dps calculus. 7k damage for swing, which you can get back with bloodbath/life surge, versus having to abort a buffed attack run (or lose blood of the dragon) because of swing...

Also, as tank, I always encourage healers to dps if they feel comfortable. Not going to complain if they choose to healbot instead, that's their jollies I guess, but I know some healers get bored if they don't get to ride the razor's edge with cleric's on big pulls.

You shouldnt be needing elusive during a boss fight in ex unless you have a bottom geared tank and an overgeared DRG. The only time they should be getting hate is if they do something dumb like aggro the wrong trash mob. Also not once have I seen a DRG use a jump as a gap closer in an ex, the exception being when I do it. But thats because I love jumping around as DRG. I'll even go as far as using elusive just to dodge and jump back if I know I won't be needing it for aggro dump. Btw, the third who managed to get hit was a blm, which shouldn't happen. And the tank kept getting hit by 11 tonze as well and getting knocked around.

[Tint]

i just hate the stance dance... cleric on, switching bars, switching target, dps, cleric off, switching bars, switching target, heal....

i really love healing but i hate to play two different roles at the same time. why do i have to work twice as hard with my whm than with my dragoon? but i think you win: i am SO sick of the whole healer dps debatte that i will just stop healing. no fun anymore -.-

[AskaRay]

Personally if I don't do some DPS while healing I'll get so bored that my healing will suffer, too.

Usually the only times I don't DPS is if I'm new to healing the dungeon (I mostly do dungeons first on my main but even then I like to take a run or two to get my bearings in a different role) or if the first couple pulls someone keeps dropping so low it's not worth it for me to DPS. I've been in the mood where it's like "I can't be bothered to DPS" but even then I usually stop and throw a few dots on the boss, or something.

Like personally IDK how some people not heal anything and just stand there (I'm talking more like level synched ilvl200 in NM Sastasha kind of standing there, not like EX roulette). I would just constantly be napping. Everyone would die because I fell asleep due to boredom.

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Oh, but even if it bothers me they just stand there the most I'll say is "..." because, well, as long as the party isn't dead I don't care what they do. I mean sure I'll probably complain to myself or friends but as long as the healer is healing then. Do whatever.