Message from actual new player

[Sylvari]

The problem is that a lot of people are just going to walk away, and that's a problem if SE wants to attract more customers later. Especially because SE is rather notorious even in the MMO world for extremely high learning curves. Most people aren't going to sit around for 20 or 30 levels waiting for the curve to even out.

Your exactly right, in this day and age MMO's like WoW that are so blindly easy are what makes the coin... The larger amount of gamers from the newer generation are not used to things being hard... I've seen my nephews complain about a game being impossible to beat, and too hard... where i have just walked up grabbed the controller and after 5 mins of getting familiar with the game i just blast thru... Now days i look forward to games like dark souls cause i know there's gonna be a challenge and that there will be a learning curve... i don't like to pick up a game and have complete understanding and "1337" skills at it after 5 mins... I actually welcome this patch, but at the same time i think 1-20 should be about teaching you how the game works and giving you a direction... a steep learning curve with today's gamers is a major buzz kill...

[Sylvari]

You see the same things on the WoW forums too, the very small vocal minority spend their time raging on every forum thread they can find about how the game doesn't live up to their standards, and yet the huge majority of players are ingame playing with dragons and spells.

What i see on WoW most is Elitist complaining it ain't hard enough and wanting more content yesterday...

[Gramul]

<Heartfelt Exposition>

So basically, you're afraid we're going to be chasing people away by telling them that they're incompetent? That people like Betelgeuzah bring down new players by telling them they're not smart enough to do it because he's looking at things from a cold generalizing perspective rather than a more caring person to person angle?

[Kiroh]

What i see on WoW most is Elitist complaining it ain't hard enough and wanting more content yesterday...

I think the Lodestone copied WoW's forums. =/

[Betelgeuzah]

So basically, you're afraid we're going to be chasing people away by telling them that they're incompetent? That people like Betelgeuzah bring down new players by telling them they're not smart enough to do it because he's looking at things from a cold generalizing perspective rather than a more caring person to person angle?

If new players come here looking for advice, I'm not going to bash them.

If level 50 players come here with their head-up-in-their-ass-attitude telling the devs to FIX THE IMAGINARY PROBLEM, I am not going to be nice.

[Kiroh]

If new players come here looking for advice, I'm not going to bash them.

If level 50 players come here with their head-up-in-their-ass-attitude telling the devs to FIX THE IMAGINARY PROBLEM, I am not going to be nice.

Making the game enjoyable for the average low level newbie is TOTALLY an imaginary problem.

You should seriously considering taking a position with SE, your ideas are so in synch.

[Betelgeuzah]

Making the game enjoyable for the average low level newbie is TOTALLY an imaginary problem.

I already explained why your problems are imaginary and also explained the real problems. There's nothing more to say, unless you want to argue against them or provide solutions to the real problems but that's pretty simple act.

Can you stop being so upset now?

[Misha]

Your exactly right, in this day and age MMO's like WoW that are so blindly easy are what makes the coin... The larger amount of gamers from the newer generation are not used to things being hard... I've seen my nephews complain about a game being impossible to beat, and too hard... where i have just walked up grabbed the controller and after 5 mins of getting familiar with the game i just blast thru... Now days i look forward to games like dark souls cause i know there's gonna be a challenge and that there will be a learning curve... i don't like to pick up a game and have complete understanding and "1337" skills at it after 5 mins... I actually welcome this patch, but at the same time i think 1-20 should be about teaching you how the game works and giving you a direction... a steep learning curve with today's gamers is a major buzz kill...

Exactly my thoughts... I can't even stand playing games on anything below hard or very hard difficulties these days. (Even then, most games are an utter joke LoL) People just wanna zerg through everything in all games nowadays, heck even critics mostly play on easy in games yet they'll actually evaluate that aspect in the games they review >.< There's simply some stuff you don't "see" when playing stuff easier and it dumbs you down so much. These people want quick and easy with no learning curve and mixing that with people like myself who actually don't wanna play another braindead mmo like WoW... well... let's just say these 2 crowds don't really mix xD

Aside from that... don't expect starting gear to last you to 1-20 anymore! Also notice that equipping higher level gear now pretty much makes it so it gives almost no stats at all!!! May as well be naked >.< LoL Also it should be common sense that with a game with cross class skills you'd want to aquire your cures and buffs first to ease said battles :P

[Sylvari]

So basically, you're afraid we're going to be chasing people away by telling them that they're incompetent? That people like Betelgeuzah bring down new players by telling them they're not smart enough to do it because he's looking at things from a cold generalizing perspective rather than a more caring person to person angle?

Just brings to mind "Give it to me straight Doc." Why dance around and waste time when you can get to the point.... give me "cold generalizing perspective" any day!...

[Bled]

I NEVER cradfted in FFXI...and I would HATE this game if I was forced to take crafting up before leveling the stuff I like.

Sir, you are so wrong its not even funny.

Yes I'm wrong, crafting is imaginary content and not in any way intended to be used... Just like 90% of the population who dose not use stocks outside of their retirement that bit** and moan about being poor. The people of these forums bit** and moan about gear and money yet refuse to use the given mechanics to solve said problem.

People are getting so ignorant/lazy and posting without a care or thought in the world, it is getting down right embarrassing.