Message from actual new player

[Gramul]

Again, thread was started by someone who has no previous experience with the game. How would they have to adapt to a 'new' way of playing?

To be fair, she actually started two weeks before the patch.

[Irana]

god forbid people use intended content and mechanics.

I NEVER cradfted in FFXI...and I would HATE this game if I was forced to take crafting up before leveling the stuff I like.

Sir, you are so wrong its not even funny.

[Betelgeuzah]

"There's nothing wrong with low levels because I said so, because I didn't have any problems with them."

While you keep telling me to be productive and relevant, at the same time you ignore everything I say.

Instead, one could draw attention to the real problems of low level experience, for example, lack of tutorial explaining how the Marketplace and Retainers function, the now-useless level 1 leves drawing attention away from the actual mechanics of leveling post-1.19 and the currently short supply of low level equipment, even though it is both easy and cheap to make due to the changes. Although most of these issues are a part of learning the game mechanics and not part of the actual game mechanics (which are fine, as demonstrated above).

In other words "there's nothing wrong" amirite?

Everyone who plays the game right shouldn't have problems at all. In the meantime, those who play wrong will face issues. Yes, I think we should ignore those who play the game wrong, aside from offering advice which they then choose to ignore.

[Kiroh]

I think he's just as frustrated as you are. He's frustrated at the community for being so blissfully ignorant about the nature of the patch and the inability of the community to adapt to a new set of gameplay restrictions and features.

And you're frustrated because it seems like no matter what, some people are so stubbornly set in their praise of such frustrating and boring features that they come off as being stuck in some sort of ancient way of thinking where dull grind counts as a viable feature. Like they don't want the game to evolve or support the meatier parts of the game and instead fall in favor with chewing on the bones.

From what I can tell.

Oddly enough, I actually love this patch. I get great xp, I always have a party because I'm in an awesome linkshell, and I've made tons of gil. Hell, I went from 47 to 49 and a half today alone and I spent the majority (easily 80% of my time in game) of my day doing Bowl of Embers Hard mode.

I'm just disappointed that lower level players have been left to figure it out and fend for themselves so to speak.

[Snuf]

I like that the thread creator is leaving this game for Aion, good luck soloing there, you'll need it...

And back on topic, I've found on alternate characters that the leveling system after 1.19 is much harder, whereas I could do leves at high difficulties previously, I now can only do them with the mobs at the same or a slightly higher level than me. I don't think the new system is slow though, by any stretch of the imagination. With exp chains, linking and the fast rate you should in theory be able to kill mobs around your level it's actually much better than previously.

If the TC was really having trouble killing mobs around their level with two friends, I'd suggest that they check what they're doing. Maybe level up some more classes for skills, the first few levels go so quickly and ensure that all their equipped gear is level appropriate.

[Agoven]

All games have learning curves MMOs have huge ones. You just gotta be patient till you figure things out. Nobody becomes amazing over night. That and if you just recently started this patch even for veterans makes this game like a whole new game.

[Kiroh]

All games have learning curves MMOs have huge ones. You just gotta be patient till you figure things out. Nobody becomes amazing over night. That and if you just recently started this patch even for veterans makes this game like a whole new game.

The problem is that a lot of people are just going to walk away, and that's a problem if SE wants to attract more customers later. Especially because SE is rather notorious even in the MMO world for extremely high learning curves. Most people aren't going to sit around for 20 or 30 levels waiting for the curve to even out.

[Agoven]

The problem is that a lot of people are just going to walk away, and that's a problem if SE wants to attract more customers later. Especially because SE is rather notorious even in the MMO world for extremely high learning curves. Most people aren't going to sit around for 20 or 30 levels waiting for the curve to even out.

The learning curve I was speaking of is playing the game in general. There are so many systems in this game...and there are so many changes...

The game will attract new players just fine...especially those waiting for PS3 release.

The problem most people have is the mode of which they are thinking. They thinking patches are just making small changes. SEs patches for FFXIV have been essentially we rewriting this game from scratch patches. Those major sweeping changes are coming in pockets until that's done. Yoshida said they only at about the 50% mark. It's been a year...it'll take many many more months b4 it's where Yoshida wants the game. We should all expect the changes...veterans of the game already do...newbies well I welcome you all to the trials and tribulations.

I do hope SE doesn't look too deeply into these forums. Complaints really come from the minority. If you see any forum structure out there it's always people complaining. Look at Youtube...LOL

In any event negative posts affect people especially the people working on the product with passion and we should encourage them. Yoshida's team is doing things right...People just need to calm down. This is why I wish the game would be pay to play now. And then when it's ready for prime time and PS3 they'd give a few months free to let the crowd see the game in it's glory.

[Quanta]

I think he's just as frustrated as you are. He's frustrated at the community for being so blissfully ignorant about the nature of the patch and the inability of the community to adapt to a new set of gameplay restrictions and features.

And you're frustrated because it seems like no matter what, some people are so stubbornly set in their praise of such frustrating and boring features that they come off as being stuck in some sort of ancient way of thinking where dull grind counts as a viable feature. Like they don't want the game to evolve or support the meatier parts of the game and instead fall in favor with chewing on the bones.

From what I can tell.

What frustrates me most is seeing people complain about not being able to kill anything, even at their own level, and the only thing they're being told is "You're doing something wrong." The immediate reaction is to assume that the individual is using the wrong gear, and if that turns out to be false, they're pretty much out of ideas at that point. We had a guy in our LS earlier today who quit to go to the Besaid server because the advice being given to him by a guy in our LS was essentially "Check your gear," "You're fighting the wrong mobs," "You need to do chains," "You're not playing right." You could tell both of them were getting frustrated because the experienced player didn't seem to get that the inexperienced player might not be as proficient as they were in regards to what abilities to equip and when and how to use them, and the inexperienced player was making this abundantly clear. "You're doing something wrong." It's retarded.

Instead of simply telling people that they're "doing something wrong," you need to figure out just what's going wrong, especially if their gear and such already checks out. Are they using food? Do they have the right abilities? What kind of mobs are they fighting? Are there better mobs that they could be fighting in another area? Enough generalizations; they're useless in diagnosing the real issues.

Edit:

Everyone who plays the game right shouldn't have problems at all. In the meantime, those who play wrong will face issues. Yes, I think we should ignore those who play the game wrong, aside from offering advice which they then choose to ignore.

This shit. This shit right here. Stop that.

[Vahzl]

It's amusing, go in game, tonnes of people online, chat is filled with people loving the patch, and yet as always, the forum is festering with complaints, which is good and all, but more and more as this game goes on, I see the people ingame happily playing, and the only ones who come here are those who can't proffer attention outside of the gaming world.

You see the same things on the WoW forums too, the very small vocal minority spend their time raging on every forum thread they can find about how the game doesn't live up to their standards, and yet the huge majority of players are ingame playing with dragons and spells.

U mad?