The Terrifying Attitude of Duty Finder

[MoraClaret]

My main activity in FFXIV is dungeons and usually with PUGs. I've seen some really shitty attitudes and behaviors since ARR launch.

Recently I have noticed an increase in what you describe. I play a healer and my husband a tank and we're both quite competent, but he usually doesn't pull unreasonable amounts of enemies. Despite this, the pulls/runs are always quick. I've noticed a lot of DPS trying to force speed runs by "subtly" aggroing additional groups of enemies without saying a word.

I've also seen a lot of people queuing for leveling parties and having zero patience for new players. This one makes me pretty sad.

I assume this is caused by a lot of people who are grinding tombstones/progression and becoming extremely impatient and tunnel visioned to their own needs.

[Mykll]

Either this has been happening for so long I have grown numb to it and just carry on, or I have not noticed it this bad on Balmung. And that is me randomly at the drop of the hat queuing for whatever as whatever job. Although mostly lately it is the 3 CT raids for the weekly, and the first 2 HW dungeons. Maybe that has something to do with it?

[Amiaze]

I've noticed this, too, and I've been throwing out theory after theory to figure out why people are acting this way. It's not really that they're just rude (we're online, and there are going to be tons of rude people), but it's their M.O. of not saying anything, ignoring anything that is said...and then whining and belittling other players when something goes wrong.

I went into a Trial Roulette yesterday and got Leviathan. Not a hard fight, but I immediately said that I'd only healed the fight. I'd never DPSed it before. Responses bounced between "press buttons" and "hit things, it's not that hard". I figured maybe I was just misreading their tones, so I tried to shrug it off as humor.

And then we wiped. Nobody said anything. We wiped again, because nobody was hitting the generator. And the complaining began, but nobody asked exactly what was happening or who should be activating the switch. They didn't bother to actually communicate; they just complained. That's when I realized that all the responses I got ware not meant to be humorous. The people speaking were just being rude. Even when someone finally did hit it, one player made a sarcastic remark along the lines of, "Wow, that was soooo difficult".

Really?

I'm not asking for a super-chatty run -- as a matter of fact, I think the amount of times we've had to grind the content in this game has made people less sociable during runs because they just want them to be over with -- but basic communication about why we're dying shouldn't be off-limits.

[AlphaFox]

Basically as its been said, they are hidden from any real repercussions of their actions. They can be as big and bad as they want with no worry when in a real setting they would be the ones not speaking up at all. I would love to say this may change but I don't see it happening. People take this game way to seriously and treat it like a job that must be done perfectly 100% of the time, first time or not. I've seen so many green leafs get kicked who didn't deserve it (though I have seen those who you just can't help too), people trying to be helpful but the way it is, the person most likely to be heard and followed is the one to speak up first and proclaim "This is what were doing!" either by activating the Vote Abandon or Vote Kick.

[Ashkendor]

On A3 the 2 tanks are supposed to share the hand damage until it splits into two hands. Why was that so hard? Oh yea, because duty finder. The same muthafudgas that needed a huge nerf to Vishap

It's easier just to turn the hand into the party and split it with the other 7 players. That said, I've had people freak out on me for doing that, bitching at me for turning the boss toward the party.

Never mind that it does like zero damage split eight ways...

[ProfVukasin]

Unfortunately, this is the internet. People will behave in ways that they never would while out in public. The only thing we can do is to hug the leafs, show them the ropes, and hope that they know that not everyone is an asshole. It irks me so much when a veteran player will move so fast that a new player cannot experience the way we experienced the game. Well, most of us I should say. Got a friend working his way through the ARR story right now to get to Heavensward and he skips everything.

[Lunasumerin]

Yeah I've been noticing this too.. I mean there's always been some bad apples but hooboy.. I took a 5 month break and then I come back and dang people got salty.

[TruebladeNuke]

I too have noticed an increasing trend in this lately. I've always preached about how gamers attitudes (in general) seem to be getting worse and worse as the years go by, but I was always hoping to be proved wrong on that. Sadly, it seems I'm actually right about that preaching though.

While nice people ARE out there and I've had my share of DF runs that went smooth as butter, I've been noticing an increasing level of impatience and hostility from the people playing FFXIV lately. Not to mention an increasing lack of basic communication. It's as if everyone has turned into this guy who auto expects everyone around to skip cutscenes (even if you haven't watched them yet) and automatically know every battle like the back of their hand. And if a wipe happens? No basic communication to explain why, which last I checked, is a vital thing to do in an MMO.

I'm not sure why this is becoming more and more of a problem, but I've noticed it. Far too much in fact. The next 24 man raid dungeons are going to be a dozy at this rate.

It's also why I haven't bothered to try tackling Alexander NM via Duty Finder yet.

[AriaEnia]

but occasionally a girl's got to pug an instance.

What does this mean?

[DisFlavored]

On A3 the 2 tanks are supposed to share the hand damage until it splits into two hands. Why was that so hard? Oh yea, because duty finder. The same muthafudgas that needed a huge nerf to Vishap

The entire party was sharing the damage when it was solo. The hand split and I just don't know what happened, suddenly I had to heal until my MP went dry and poor Eos was crying. Some ppl standing with tanks, some out in no man's land. Comments of Stop cleaving the party and You know you can split the dmg rite? seemed contradictory. No one was willing to move their own position to adjust and no one ever recommended a different course of action. Just got on that hate train.

... It's not really that they're just rude (we're online, and there are going to be tons of rude people), but it's their M.O. of not saying anything, ignoring anything that is said...and then whining and belittling other players when something goes wrong...

Exactly! Nobody cares until something goes unplanned or, lord forbid, you wipe on a boss that actually required some coordination and you failed to talk it out. Steps brought that out in people so much.

When WoD came out, everyone understood the ABC method. Then suddenly, everyone did what they wanted. The A tank was holding Cerberus, C tank was getting adds, and the B tank was dpsing. Until the C tank stopped getting adds and the raid yelled at the B tank for not doing their job. I remember seeing a lot of this and still don't understand why the incredibly simple ABC method was being ignored.

What does this mean?

Sometimes I can't get FC to go with me so I have to use duty finder. (Made a heavy post, trying to lighten it a lil :] )