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  1. #11
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    Kanti Castagnier
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    It solves the problem of further bloating loot pools with unique sets. It doesn't matter how many classes you make that share the same gear in terms of "fairness". You have 8 party slots. 4 are dps that can be filled with any combination of jobs via the duty finder. You could end up with 4 str or 4 dex. What having monk and ninja would have helped avoid is when you have a premade group and get a drop that none of you can use, that drop for the week is completely wasted. There are aesthetic design choices I understand that keep mnk and drg separate, but there was absolutely no reason to not have nin and mnk share gear.
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    Will Brannigan
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    Quote Originally Posted by Itseotle View Post
    The problem most of you guys fail to see with the NIN-DEX issue is that by making NIN a strength class you are not solving anything. Just wait for when they add another STR based dps, such as samurai, then the gear balance will be three and three. Right now yes, NIN shares right side with bard and machinist, and this is slightly unfair, but its the most fair it's going to possibly be with the current jobs.
    You don't need to make Ninja a strength class, just put dexterity on monk gear. It does literally nothing for monk since they took parry rate away from it.

    I don't like how BRD/MCH/NIN have to share accessories. In 4 man dungeons, tank and healer always get 100% drop if it's for their job. DRG/MNK and BLM/SMN have a smaller chance to meet another DPS that they have to fight for the loots.
    This is mostly accurate except that tanks don't actually use the accessories they can roll need on, but that's a whole different thread. When I first saw the DEX trait for ninjas on XIVDB I figured they'd be on bard left/right side (since at the time bard also had its own gear).

    Nope.
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    Last edited by Brannigan; 09-02-2015 at 03:45 PM.

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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Ninja Lv 90
    I don't want to share anything with any job.

    if the devs have enough of free time to make all the dragoon gears exclusive to just one job, I believe they can make unique gears for every job.
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    Charlotte Elise
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    Ninja Lv 70
    It was annoying enough being out rolled by other Ninjas in CT, and for that to happen again in Void Ark but with Monks too? No thanks... unless of course they switch it to a token system.
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    Arlizz Teirez
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    Monk Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I don't like how BRD/MCH/NIN have to share accessories. In 4 man dungeons, tank and healer always get 100% drop if it's for their job. DRG/MNK and BLM/SMN have a smaller chance to meet another DPS that they have to fight for the loots.
    I feel sorry for dex-user but rest assure,the next new dps job will be str-user or int-user.
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  6. #16
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    Raze Landale
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Physical dps tables are way too bloated, where tanks, casters and healers get to share gear. I think monk and drg should share gear and nin with brd/mch UNLESS there's a specific reason they shouldn't.

    Say, you've got some plate so you want that to be drg specific. That's reasonable, you can give monk and drg their own gear for that dungeon/raid/whatever. But if it's just a recolor? Just make one piece for both of them. For belts this should always be the case, because they're just another accessory slot.
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    Yas Ticot
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    White Mage Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by MaethusXion View Post
    Gonna be funny in 4.0...

    Tank- PLD/WAR/DRK
    Healer- WHM/SCH/AST
    Tanklike- DRG/SAM?
    STR Melee- MNK/SAM?
    DEX Melee- NIN/RDM?
    INT Melee?- RDM?
    DEX Ranged- BRD/MCH
    Caster- SMN/BLM

    Really though they need to better consolidate the DPS drops, since DEX is useless to DRG/MNK and STR useless to NIN/BRD/MCH, they technically could do just 4 sets (Tank, Healer, Caster, PhysicalDPS)... aside from oddball DRG and it's Phys/Mag defenses so different...
    As MCH who received all the BRD stuff and share the new stuff with them, I think, in 4.0, we should see new melee dd sharing all their gear with either DRG, or MNK (I rather not NIN since as stated above, there are already 3 jobs who can roll need on DEX accessories).
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by RazeLandale View Post
    Physical dps tables are way too bloated, where tanks, casters and healers get to share gear. I think monk and drg should share gear and nin with brd/mch UNLESS there's a specific reason they shouldn't.
    Different amount of main stats. DRG gear have more def than MNK gear. This would mean keep the stats how they are and buff the monk with more def or change the stats and nerf DRG with less def.
    Also different favourite 2nd stats.
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    Lineage Razor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evangela View Post
    I don't want to share anything with any job.

    if the devs have enough of free time to make all the dragoon gears exclusive to just one job, I believe they can make unique gears for every job.
    This belief makes... no sense at all?

    Me: I can bake a cake in an hour.
    You: If you can bake a cake in an hour, then I believe you can bake ten cakes in an hour!
    Me: But... that's simply not true! My oven's not big enough, I don't have enough cake pans, and I simply can't work that fast even if I had those tools!
    You: And make sure they're all different kinds of cake! I want each to be unique!
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    Evangela Monterossa
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    Ninja Lv 90
    tell me why dragoons always get unique gears. design-wise and stats-wise. other jobs have to share their gear with other 2-3 jobs or sometimes palette-swapped version of each other's.
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