Why do Ninja and Monk use different gear?

[Yasminou]

Gonna be funny in 4.0...

Tank- PLD/WAR/DRK
Healer- WHM/SCH/AST
Tanklike- DRG/SAM?
STR Melee- MNK/SAM?
DEX Melee- NIN/RDM?
INT Melee?- RDM?
DEX Ranged- BRD/MCH
Caster- SMN/BLM

Really though they need to better consolidate the DPS drops, since DEX is useless to DRG/MNK and STR useless to NIN/BRD/MCH, they technically could do just 4 sets (Tank, Healer, Caster, PhysicalDPS)... aside from oddball DRG and it's Phys/Mag defenses so different...

As MCH who received all the BRD stuff and share the new stuff with them, I think, in 4.0, we should see new melee dd sharing all their gear with either DRG, or MNK (I rather not NIN since as stated above, there are already 3 jobs who can roll need on DEX accessories).

[Nalien]

I think I'd be slightly more tolerant of Jobs effectively getting the exact same gear but not if we had secondary stats again... In 1.23 you didn't just have on stat determining your damage, you had two, and I think that creates an interesting dynamic for gear... Doesn't even needs to be damage related, directly. Look at Paladin, Warrior, and Dark Knight. All three use Vitality, obviously. Paladin should have some use of White Magic (I know it doesn't, unless you count Stoneskin and Clemency), so Mind should be appropriate. Dark Knight uses by far the most MP, so Piety works there. Warrior has always been the tank closest to a DPS, so Strength works there. Can apply that to a few others fairly easily too; Bard needs MP, here's some Piety. Ninjutsu and Intelligence? Monk has always traditionally had a lot of HP, so Vitality actually works there, even if it could be functionally redundant. Would of course be easier if we gained some missing stats, I certainly miss Agility and Charisma (which could work as a stat/support type stat). Granted, I don't think many are happy with AF2 locking out their ability to gear all the tanks in one go, but were it up to me each Job would have its own lock out anyway... Then I have as much content as I want, rather than a single pathetic 450 cap a week...

Pretty disappointed with the additional stats as well, although I hope Heavensward changed that a bit... Still, I think stats should enforce the Jobs identity a bit better, take the three melee DPS; Dragoon wields a large lance, I'd expect their attacks to be slower (-Skill Speed), but more accurate and powerful (+Critical Hit Rate and Determination). Monks fight with their fists, I'd expect that to be fast and blunt (+Skill Speed and Determination, -Critical Hit Rate). Ninjas are assassins, so I'd expect them to be fast and accurate (+Skill Speed and Critical Hit Rate) but not have a lot of individual hitting power (-Determination). You'll notice I used "accurate" to refer to Critical Hit Rate a lot there, that's because I think they should be the same bleedin' stat. I'm pretty disappointed Accuracy is solely a hit/miss decider, in my head Accuracy also applies to where you hit; Do I strike your jugular, or attack your little toe for massive damage? I really think there should be some value to having more Accuracy.

Gods... Gearing up really is boring in this game (and for once I haven't even touched on Enhances stats, opps), something made all the more worse by the slow drip feeding of gear behind tomestones... I get why that cap is there, can't have people grinding out full Esoterics gear day one and breezing through Alexander, but if all tomestone gear was Job Specific (even the accessories), what would the issue be? So I can get 450 Esoterics worth of gear on my Ninja and Summoner, neither my Ninja or Summoner would be more powerful than they'd currently be, I'd just have more options to play with and a potential 5,850 Esoterics to obtain a week, which many are probably looking at and thinking I'm insane for wanting, and I agree. Had we a greater variety of content to play through though, I would find that quite entertaining, certainly more so than a single 450 cap that I reach on Wednesday... I'd honestly rather have a cap I can't reach, than a cap I reach easily.

[Noxifer]

Paladin should have some use of White Magic (I know it doesn't, unless you count Stoneskin and Clemency), so Mind should be appropriate. [...]Ninjutsu and Intelligence?

AFAIK, Clemency doesn't scale with Mind, but with Attack damage.
Ninjutsu counts as magic damage, but scales off of Dex.

Pretty disappointed with the additional stats as well, although I hope Heavensward changed that a bit... Still, I think stats should enforce the Jobs identity a bit better, take the three melee DPS; Dragoon wields a large lance, I'd expect their attacks to be slower (-Skill Speed), but more accurate and powerful (+Critical Hit Rate and Determination). Monks fight with their fists, I'd expect that to be fast and blunt (+Skill Speed and Determination, -Critical Hit Rate). Ninjas are assassins, so I'd expect them to be fast and accurate (+Skill Speed and Critical Hit Rate) but not have a lot of individual hitting power (-Determination). You'll notice I used "accurate" to refer to Critical Hit Rate a lot there, that's because I think they should be the same bleedin' stat. I'm pretty disappointed Accuracy is solely a hit/miss decider, in my head Accuracy also applies to where you hit; Do I strike your jugular, or attack your little toe for massive damage? I really think there should be some value to having more Accuracy.

I'd actually kinda love this. Not sure how easy it would be to balance damage output between DPS with taking "gear penalties" (which I'm interpreting your 'negative' stats as), but it'd definitely make things a lot more diverse.

[Evangela]

I don't like how BRD/MCH/NIN have to share accessories. In 4 man dungeons, tank and healer always get 100% drop if it's for their job. DRG/MNK and BLM/SMN have a smaller chance to meet another DPS that they have to fight for the loots.

[Kahnom]

I don't like how BRD/MCH/NIN have to share accessories. In 4 man dungeons, tank and healer always get 100% drop if it's for their job. DRG/MNK and BLM/SMN have a smaller chance to meet another DPS that they have to fight for the loots.

I feel sorry for dex-user but rest assure,the next new dps job will be str-user or int-user.

[Assirra]

I feel sorry for dex-user but rest assure,the next new dps job will be str-user or int-user.

Next dps HAS to be a mage in some way or form.
We got 2 magic dps vs how many physical now?

[Colorful]

Next dps HAS to be a mage in some way or form.
We got 2 magic dps vs how many physical now?

Well 6, but it's pretty unfair as physical DPS encompasses a much larger amount of potential classes than magic based ones from what I can tell, and ranged physical DPS plays more similarly to magic than melee does. Lack of positionals (I don't think ranged/magic have positionals?), etc. But if it's RDM, then yeah it's probably a magic melee class, and we don't have one of those currently.

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The only reason I can see item drops being more rewarding is because you've grinded the content again and again, and started to lose hope that it'll ever drop, but then it finally does drop and you're excited. That's from my personal experience anyway, but token systems are much more fulfilling, I can work towards something that involves no, or less RNG, and getting the item that way feels just as good to me.

[SendohJin]

Next dps HAS to be a mage in some way or form.
We got 2 magic dps vs how many physical now?

it doesn't have to. they don't care to balance magic vs physical because parties aren't built that way.

parties are built with 2 tanks, 2 healers, 2 melee, 2 ranged almost all of the time. currently there are 3 tanks, 3 healers, 3 melee, 4 ranged. the next 3 jobs should be 1 tank, 1 healer, 1 melee, that would make 4 of everything.

and the next melee can be physical (SAM) or magical (RDM, BLU)

[Itseotle]

The problem most of you guys fail to see with the NIN-DEX issue is that by making NIN a strength class you are not solving anything. Just wait for when they add another STR based dps, such as samurai, then the gear balance will be three and three. Right now yes, NIN shares right side with bard and machinist, and this is slightly unfair, but its the most fair it's going to possibly be with the current jobs.

[Kanti]

It solves the problem of further bloating loot pools with unique sets. It doesn't matter how many classes you make that share the same gear in terms of "fairness". You have 8 party slots. 4 are dps that can be filled with any combination of jobs via the duty finder. You could end up with 4 str or 4 dex. What having monk and ninja would have helped avoid is when you have a premade group and get a drop that none of you can use, that drop for the week is completely wasted. There are aesthetic design choices I understand that keep mnk and drg separate, but there was absolutely no reason to not have nin and mnk share gear.