We should ally with the Garleans

[Eidolon]

I love how some posters referenced the 'innocent fairy' as if that was an arguement for why we shouldn't ally with the garleans.


How many innocents do you think the Warrior of Light has killed? How many people has he wanton slaughtered? We fought the Shield Hero to the death, who fought believing in the ideals. We fought the Tsundere, who died for what she loved and never wanting to lose it again. We fought the man who even offered us his hand - because we were hell bent on 'protecting eorzea.'

Seriously. I loved the characters of Garlemald. Do I think they're perfect? No. But neither is every citizen of Eorzea.

Limsa basically goes out of its way to **** every beastman it can, while whining like hypocrites about being attacked.
Ul'dah has the Sultanate. 'nuff said, 'kill 'em all.
Gridania ... actually, Idon't know if they really do anything wrong. They're pretty cool in my book, but they seem a bit hell-bent on these traditions and trees. >.> I'm not sure if I've ever seen anything bad about them outside of a mild xenophobia. (Would love to be corrected on this!)

No one in this war is the good guy.
We just want to believe that our side is the correct side.

I don't believe it's wrong to want to conquer. To unify the lands. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to resist and fight for your liberty. It's a fight - it's a war. Choose your side and stick to it.

Just wish we had a choice.

[hagare]

I love how some posters referenced the 'innocent fairy' as if that was an arguement for why we shouldn't ally with the garleans.

How many innocents do you think the Warrior of Light has killed? How many people has he wanton slaughtered? We fought the Shield Hero to the death, who fought believing in the ideals. We fought the Tsundere, who died for what she loved and never wanting to lose it again. We fought the man who even offered us his hand - because we were hell bent on 'protecting eorzea.'

Ok, shield hero I know, tsundere might be who I'm thinking about, but the one who offered us his hand? Who is that again?

Shield hero + tsundere = both done in defense against an invasion.

In regards to the war, it's pretty black and white
actually.

One wants to conquer and kill all who resists, while the other one is defending itself.
You also know what'll happen if the invader wins.
Or are you saying genocide is good?

You would be pretty blinded to say that the empire is the good guy here.

But then again "I loved the characters of Garlemald. "

Not necessarily neutral, but not like the others to be sure. The other Ascians we've fought have been absolutely insane and hellbent on the idea of Zodiark destroying or eclipsing Hydaelyn, but Elidibus wants balance for some reason we don't know.

Unfortunately, that balance seemingly involves the WoLs dying.

It's the quiet ones that you should watch out for.

[Eidolon]

You would be pretty blinded to say that the empire is the good guy here.

But then again "I loved the characters of Garlemald. "

Aye, but I don't think either of them are objectively /bad/ as people. They're just on the other side of the glass.

I think the issue is, Conquerer = Bad guy in your book. As others have stated, many people join with the garleans out of their own will, and have a good life for it.

As stated, I don't think either side is 'bad' in this. I think both are equally bad. But I do think that Garlemald is a conquerer, and thus is 'more bad' to the public eye. But the city states of Eorzea are no better in my book.

I'd rather join a conquerer with the intent to right the world through force than fight for the liberties of people who wrong others under the guise of justice.

[hagare]

Aye, but I don't think either of them are objectively /bad/ as people. They're just on the other side of the glass.

How the hell is genocide of an entire race as a purpose not objectively bad?
They don't want to right the world.
They want to kill off whole races based on the assumption that they will be dangerous to them.

That would be the equivalent of killing of the children of a criminal thinking they might go bad like their parents

[Eidolon]

How the hell is genocide of an entire race as a purpose not objectively bad?
They don't want to right the world.
They want to kill off whole races based on the assumption that they will be dangerous to them.

That would be the equivalent of killing of the children of a criminal thinking they might go bad like their parents

Their methods are extreme, but I do not think that Limsa or Ul'dah would hesitate to do the same.

Matter of fact, Limsa - as stated - is fighting a war because of the fact that they constantly encroach on beastmen homelands. The commander even makes it clear she has no remorse for this, b ecause she is looking out for Numero Uno - Limsa.

Ul'dah would kill you with time and politics. Or a syndicate assination. And I doubt they have any remorse about killing Amalja.

As stated. Neither side is a true evil. Because both are evil. I'd rather have the choice to choose my poison than be shoehorned as a hero for one side that I think is equally disgusting.

[hagare]

Their methods are extreme, but I do not think that Limsa or Ul'dah would hesitate to do the same.

Matter of fact, Limsa - as stated - is fighting a war because of the fact that they constantly encroach on beastmen homelands. The commander even makes it clear she has no remorse for this, b ecause she is looking out for Numero Uno - Limsa.

Ul'dah would kill you with time and politics. Or a syndicate assination. And I doubt they have any remorse about killing Amalja.

As stated. Neither side is a true evil. Because both are evil. I'd rather have the choice to choose my poison than be shoehorned as a hero for one side that I think is equally disgusting.

Ok I'm done

[Dererk]

I don't believe it's wrong to want to conquer. To unify the lands. At the same time I don't think it's wrong to resist and fight for your liberty. It's a fight - it's a war. Choose your side and stick to it.

Just wish we had a choice.

We didn't ask for this war we didn't ask to be concurred we don't have any ambition to expand our boarders. No one ever asks this sure maybe if that one shielded guy if his nation was as messed up as he said sure maybe they'd benefit from being part of them.

But ours aren't messed up sure they have problems like every other but wer no where near tearing our selves apart. Also don't for get yes Ul dah has problems but those wer only intensified because Garmald placed an agent of theirs there to intensify their problems to make it easier to concur Ul dah they did the same thing with Al mahigo they sent an agent in made the bad situations worse so they'd have an esuer time to just walk in and take it all.