We should ally with the Garleans

[BubblyBoar]

The Empire definitely does not have the same goal as the scions. We want to end primal threats. That's it. The Empire wasn't to conquer. The Primals and stopping them is just a step in their overall goal. It's like saying "We want people to not be homeless. Slave owners want that too, cause homeless slaves aren't working for them. We have the same goals!"

The Empire has proven to be genocidal and absolutely ruthless. Just as the above gif shows. You say "war is like that" and yet, when Ala Mhigo warred with Gridania, did they massacre all the Ala Mhigans? No? So what the hell are you talking about?

There are to humans in Eorzea. Please do not relate our history to one of fantasy. And if you need to further proof of how horrible the Empire is, just look to Doma. Oh wait....sorry, look to the ashes that used to be Doma. Oh, you forgot? There is no Doma anymore, just ashes. Literally ashes. There is no going back to free Doma because there is no Doma left. Other Auri city states maybe, but not Doma.

So tell me again how Allying with the Empire is a good idea outside of trolling or going max edge villain mode?

[ChazNatlo]

So tell me again how Allying with the Empire is a good idea outside of trolling or going max edge villain mode?

Pretty much only acceptable in a "You are my enemy still, but that guy over there is worse." situation really.

[Deedsie]

what? the city states governments does alot of stupid things, but slaughtering unarmed combatant? nope

One could look at the Sahagin beast quest backstory...

[astrobearis]

beside the fact other city-states wouldn't condone nor put up with that crap, plus there is also the scions (when they where in action),and of course the WoL.

unlike evil empire mcevil, all the city-states do a have some form of geneva convention type guideline. yes in times of war, governments could do heinous stuff, but normally if they do they are called out on it and those responsible for said crimes are often trial and excuted for their crimes. and please OP, stop trying to move away from the fact the the garlemeld military is straight up evil, like allagan evil and you simply want to join the bad guys "cuz their cool". just (wo)man up to it.

[Daralii]

One could look at the Sahagin beast quest backstory...

It's been established that Merlwyb jumped the gun and drove them into the Ascians' waiting arms. It's regarded as a mistake.

[Xanikk999]

unlike evil empire mcevil, all the city-states do a have some form of geneva convention type guideline.

Where is there any evidence of this? Is there any examples of us taking garlean soldiers prisoners in addition to showing how we treat them? The only thing that even comes somewhat close that I can think of is that spy we route out inbetween 2.0 and 3.0 somewhere that was infiltrating the immortal flames. It never follows up on that and shows us what happens to her. Even then she is just a sell out and not a garlean.

[Samcaesar]

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Genocide and the suppression of religion won't end the Hydaelyn's suffering. Shoot, look at the Domans, I really doubt the Garleans were doing them any favors. Like.. To be honest, the answer to the beastman problem isn't annihilating them, it's the echo and the ability it grants us to see the world from other's perspectives. It's a mutual understanding and a hope to solve both the Races of Man and the Beastmen's problems that's the right thing, not just killing every beastmen and anyone who worships a god (Cause you know.. Gridania, Limsa Lominsa, and Ul'dah really love the guardian deities of their city states).

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The elementals are an incredibly dangerous force (Greenwrath is some scary stuff) and they did cause the 6th calamity if I'm recalling correctly. Each city state has a lot to deal with their religion, Limsa Lominsa's live their lives according to the whole "Til see swallows all" myth (Which is apart of the Navigator's various stories if I recall correctly) and Ul'dah's association with Nald'Thal. You can separate the Eorzean from their religion, but you can't separate the religion from Eorzea.

I personally hope the story addresses some sort of narrative featuring the Elementals chilling the heck out, but I'm fairly sure the answer to the problem isn't "Destroy the elementals and Gridania's way of life!", because the last thing we need is to spurn an 8th calamity from making a force inherently with Hydaelyn mad.

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Far be it from me to defend Ul'Dah actions (Or any city state to be honest), but none of the city states are engaging in the sort of things that the Garlean empire is, no where near the brutality and scale. The Garleans (And empires in general) have that inherent problem, they aren't sustainable unless if they keep conquering, and let's be honest here, being under Garlean rule isn't fun. The narrative is attempting framing what the Garleans do as wrong, it's the meta reason why we and Eorzea oppose them. Gotta ask though, why are you fascinated with such a broken horrid machine? You can observe a death trap and learn the parts about it without stepping inside it.

[AppropriateName8544]

I kinda see that happen when zodiark is revived ; and it will be revived. Then we will be able to access job with a gunblade. Called it.

[BubblyBoar]

Where is there any evidence of this? Is there any examples of us taking garlean soldiers prisoners in addition to showing how we treat them? The only thing that even comes somewhat close that I can think of is that spy we route out inbetween 2.0 and 3.0 somewhere that was infiltrating the immortal flames. It never follows up on that and shows us what happens to her. Even then she is just a sell out and not a garlean.

There's a former Garlean solider that we help and is hiding out on East LN. No one bothers him except for the few garleans that found him and some gang he owed money to. In fact, he seems to be on friendly terms with one of the Company of Heroes (the blind Lalafell) enough to give him some SUPER rare wine. There's also Lucia (spoilers, lol) that's pretty much second in command of Ishgard's GC. She's even a pure blood Garlean and Livia's sister. Not to mention that literally no oen has problems with Cid. So.......wat?

The city state clearly have a somewhat peaceful pact with each other as proven by the Ala Mhigans. I'll again mention their war and attack on Gridania and how they aren't being executed or massacred after losing. Not only that, but the city states even offer (though extremely limited) refuge to them after the Empire took over.

[Deedsie]

It's been established that Merlwyb jumped the gun and drove them into the Ascians' waiting arms. It's regarded as a mistake.

I was bringing up the Sahagin beast tribe side quest story, not main story.