We should ally with the Garleans

[Maero]

No thanks, Garleans are like the Templars/Stone Masons and illuminati of our age, corrupt, lol

[myahele]

Honestly, Garleans did not care about the Primal threat up until the Domans or somewhere in Othard summoned a Primal to fight against them.

It's quite an ironic self-fulfilling prophecy: Garleans don't trust people/ beast tribes so they pre-emptively kill them > beast tribes and people don't trust them so they try to summon their god(s) or warriors from the past and then the cycle continues.

I wonder if we'll be getting rid of the Asciens this expansion?

Anyways, what I like about this game is that there are some grey areas here and there and that none of the city-states are exactly perfect.

* Ul'dah speaks for itself

* Gridania was/is very Xenophobic; discriminating immigrants for the rest of their lives (mentioned by Mionne and Fufucha). The woodwailers are starting to get even more corrupt and using that authority to take advantage of Keeper Miqote and Duskwights

* Limsa Lominsa broke their treaty with Kobolds and I think instigated the war with Sahagin. They hired Mamool Ja to be mercenaries, but now that they don't need them anymore they're not willing to get a ship for them to travel back to their homeland; they are now without a home and are slowly becoming a nuisance to limsa. While it's still reforming, the streets aren't very safe yet. Based on the AST storyline, women get kidnapped and sold into sex slavery; hence why there's usually an escort. Probably same for men to an extent

* Ishgard is just like Gridania, but if you're unlucky enough to get the wrong attention of a noble and be accused of Heresy then you'll either have a trial by combat or jump off a cliff

* Ala Mhigo seems to be very kill happy based on some of the refugees we see and its history. They're the reason why the concept of GCs exists.

* Sharlayan not much is known other than they hoard knowledge like the syndicate hoards money. The Garleans, apparently viewed them as a threat. Willing to watch Eorzea be conquered by Garlemald. Created Alexander and there's probably something wrong about them that's being kept secret

I remember when we had to disguise ourselves as garlean soldiers (lol) and we briefly got to know some of the soldiers we got group up with. They were just soldiers with families to go to and very normal ... until we killed them

[VargasVermillion]

Honestly, Garleans did not care about the Primal threat up until the Domans or somewhere in Othard summoned a Primal to fight against them.

It's quite an ironic self-fulfilling prophecy: Garleans don't trust people/ beast tribes so they pre-emptively kill them > beast tribes and people don't trust them so they try to summon their god(s) or warriors from the past and then the cycle continues.

I wonder if we'll be getting rid of the Asciens this expansion?

Doubt it, I think they'll always be a large threat till the end, i mean really the storyline is more about two crystals fighting eachother, removing them would just leave the garleans which would probably be simpler to defeat since they are bound to the same predictable rulesets as anyone else living on hydaelyn, whereas the acsians are otherwordly, almost in a lovecraftian way. (barring mutative gods but you get the idea)

[Fendred]

Complete genocide is unnecessary. The only ones that need to be killed are the tempered ones. If Ul'dah wasn't busy fighting Garleans, they'd march an army right into Zan'rak and clean house on them. The Garleans are the ones complicating matters by continually trying to take over the continent, forcing the city-states to waste resources on fighting them. Their offer to handle the beastmen problem for us "if we only kneel" is facepalm worthy. If they were really concerned about the beastmen, they'd let the Eorzean's sort it out and then move in to conquer the city-states when they are recovering.

[Felis]

Eorzea and the Garlean Empire both have a common goal: Elimination of the primal threat forever. Only our means differ.

The Eorzean alliance in some misguided view doesn't want kill the source of the problem, the beastmen. The beastmen as a whole are not friendly with the races of man and will never stop trying to kill us or summon primals. I agree with the empire, genocide all the beastman races and we could work together to do that.

The problem is not the beastmen, it is the Ascians.
You can kill every beastmen like the Garleans, but the Ascians would just teach common people how to summon primals.
The Garleans way to solve the problem is the wrong way.

We need more figures like Gabranth and Drace from FFXII who...actually remain loyal to their homeland (unlike Cid and Lucia) whilst still being likeable and relatable.

We have Nero ^^

It was also about Primals and how Primals can be created even from the best of intentions with disastrous consequences. And that one particular Primal had nothing to do with Beastmen.

Bahamut got killed by the Allagans during one of their invasions. The Ascians showed Tiamat how she can bring back her dead lover, not knowing that the Ascians tricked her and that they work together with the Allagans to enslave the primal version of Bahamut.

[myahele]

Even if somehow they pull an Allagan and recreate a great seal similar to the one in silver tear lake the Asciens can just teach people Black/White magic. And if Ceruleum = aether then I'm sure Garleans are already slowly sapping the world of it's aether via magitek. It might explain why Allagans created sustainable clean energy via the Crystal Tower harnessing power from the Sun.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Simply put, the Garleans are Imperialists. Their driving force might be the same as ours, but their MO is literally "Because they can't do it right, we will save them from themselves."

Yeah, by CONQUEST.

It's also been mentioned that they seek to emulate the Allagan Empire, and we ALL know how much of a pleasant lot they really were. . .

Sorry, but Imperial rule and being a Warrior of Light just don't mix.

[Xanikk999]

It's also been mentioned that they seek to emulate the Allagan Empire, and we ALL know how much of a pleasant lot they really were. . .

Sorry, but Imperial rule and being a Warrior of Light just don't mix.

I never did the crystal tower quest since I started playing shortly before heavensward launched but anyway was their any mention of the Allaghans doing any genocide like the Garleans before Xande retook control? To me it seems like Xande was the only bad apple.

[VargasVermillion]

I never did the crystal tower quest since I started playing shortly before heavensward launched but anyway was their any mention of the Allaghans doing any genocide like the Garleans before Xande retook control? To me it seems like Xande was the only bad apple.

No, they used dragons as living batteries and spliced different kinds of creatures together. Allagans were quite cruel in their prime. It's impossible to know the various situations in allag since it's too long ago for anyone to have clear knowledge.

[Xanikk999]

No, they used dragons as living batteries and spliced different kinds of creatures together. Allagans were quite cruel in their prime. It's impossible to know the various situations in allag since it's too long ago for anyone to have clear knowledge.

Sounds cool. I hope we can one day create our own fantastic and monstrous species through genetic engineering some day.