Hair contest: petitioning

[Oblitae]

"but what if i'm not represented in two hairstyles that will be added to a game"

[Reinha]

"but what if i'm not represented in two hairstyles that will be added to a game"

Oh look, another one.



On another note,

Anyways, I think it's more like some kind of debate tool that white knights, SJWs, Fedora-wearing internet heroes, and malnourished 400lb foreveralone neckbeards use to dismantle an argument they don't personally agree with. It's like, "Since I can't win with a well-constructed argument, I'll win by just throwing some fallacy terms at it to make it sound wrong/false, while simultaneously implying/making myself look like an authority on internet debates - even though I'm not qualified. Yay!...I'm such an internet tough guy!"

If that doesn't work, or is met with a counter, then it will usually devolve into a "...sheep," or "he mad" shit post, or a "stop liking what I don't like" whine. When these kind of posts appear, I just ignore them. They are irksome and tiresome. They're not qualified to speak against anything, and they're not saying anything either. They are simply shit posts. They're just trying to look important. I think the term "narcissist" comes to mind.

Wow, you are actually defending the use of fallacies and implying that calling out fallacies is a fallacy... Excuse me a moment my head is spinning.

Ok I'm good now. I bolded some things I'd like to comment. A post riddled with fallacies is not a well constructed argument. Calling out fallacies is calling out a badly constructed argument. So when you next see the word "fallacy" being used, you should see for yourself here. Anyone is qualified to try and have a clean debate or discussion, and that entails weeding out poorly constructed or invalid arguments like those on the list.

[Oblitae]

Oh look, another one.

Except, that's the short hand of what OP said. Crying over not being properly represented.

This would be a petition stating the general upset at the lack of representation of what we, as a community, wanted in style choices.

The summary of both sides of this argument were finished about 2 pages in. After that, you're all just re-phrasing the same opinion circlejerking to see who's the best at forming sentences in a convincing tone.

Don't get me wrong, it's good this thread exists because at the off chance somebody important does read this, perhaps then in the future what has been said here might be taken into consideration. However; 26 pages of "i disagree because my opinions make more logical sense than yours so suck it" is ridiculous.

[Reinha]

Except, that's the short hand of what OP said. Crying over not being properly represented.

"but what if i'm not represented in two hairstyles that will be added to a game"

That's what you said. The OP is talking about being represented in the 25 voting options that the devs picked. If you are able to see the difference between those statements, would you mind responding to the actual point of this thread? Here are some examples. Do you feel the voting options are diverse? Are there duplicate styles and if yes, could/should they have been cut down to give room for different styles? Are there any commonly used (irl) hairstyles missing from the options? Is a pool of 25 options large enough to give enough variation?

For me, the answers would be no, yes, yes, yes and no.

[Oblitae]

Two hairstyles are going to be added, OP will not like them and OP will not wear them. They'll be bothered for a month at max that their one chance to be represented in a game has been ruined. This is the subtext.

I don't feel like the voting options are diverse, no. I'm someone who joined the contest having drawn a style with dreadlocks and at first glance I was needless to say a little frustrated with what the judges picked. I'm fully aware that what's been picked conforms to 1 genre, but that isn't surprising with this "being a Japanese game". - As many people have stated. 25 options isn't large enough to give variation but anymore than that and you start losing a lot of people's interest. To make some assumptions as many people are doing in this thread, if people cannot sit through a 10 minute YouTube video they won't scroll for days picking out hairstyles. Which thus brings in to question the format of the voting. It sucks. We all know it sucks. "Only the last like counts" etc. I also love how the descriptions of the hairstyles were not actually included in the end but then again they would have to translate it and that means the already late voting period could have been even later.

Leading back to the point about representation..

I had designed hairstyles I thought would appeal not to myself but to others who i know wanted something different from what we already had. A lot of people i'm sure did the same. Thinking about it I wish this was the thought process the judges has taken when picking and choosing. But as that isn't the case, there is something else people can do, y'know? Just find another way to be represented in a game.

[Nadirah]

Y'all missed the point.

We didn't need three side ponytails on the list. One of them looks almost exactly like the lightning hair ffs.

We didn't need the two pigtails tied at the nape. We already have that, difference is them being up two inches.

We wanted things we *don't* have. We got things we already have, or the same thing in more than one color.

I didn't vote for any of the females. Why? I wasn't impressed. At all.

[DawnSolaria]

Y'all missed the point.

We didn't need three side ponytails on the list. One of them looks almost exactly like the lightning hair ffs.

We didn't need the two pigtails tied at the nape. We already have that, difference is them being up two inches.

We wanted things we *don't* have. We got things we already have, or the same thing in more than one color.

I didn't vote for any of the females. Why? I wasn't impressed. At all.

The top voted ones are completely different ones in the game. I dont want something that way out of the left field. Hair like Afro might be funny for a small amount of players, but are the majority really going to run around with an Afro? It would make sense for SE to select ones that make sense in the game and appeal to the largest amount of player.

[Assirra]

Y'all missed the point.

We didn't need three side ponytails on the list. One of them looks almost exactly like the lightning hair ffs.

We didn't need the two pigtails tied at the nape. We already have that, difference is them being up two inches.

We wanted things we *don't* have. We got things we already have, or the same thing in more than one color.

I didn't vote for any of the females. Why? I wasn't impressed. At all.

Who are you to say what "we" wanted?

[Nadirah]

@zeonx

Forums aren't a right, they're a privilege. They're also not subject to first amendment rights as it's a private entity. They have every right to ban someone from the forums for any reason they want, including for example, the fact your name has a Z in it ant they might not like that letter.

Stupid? Possibly. Their rules.

[Zeonx]

@zeonx

Forums aren't a right, they're a privilege. They're also not subject to first amendment rights as it's a private entity. They have every right to ban someone from the forums for any reason they want, including for example, the fact your name has a Z in it ant they might not like that letter.

Stupid? Possibly. Their rules.

Not true, I agree to a point, though wouldn't be fair if they follow their own rules? if they say don't do something but you don't do it and they ban you anyways? what they ban you for doesn't make sense which makes them not follow their own rules.

I am over here now and he said why he just doesn't care he was making a point about people need to watch what they say cause they don't follow their own rules they just ban if they don't like what you say.

Its not just them either is people on here anyone you, me and someone else, if they find what you say offensive they can ban you, then get revenge basically the person finds out they get banned then they keep a eye on your account then get you banned perm by following them around watching and reading what they say, he says its the reason those rules are faulty.

it happens. Like if someone didn't like what you said and just waited for you to cuss or say something in a form of attack and reported you kept doing it till your 4th time is up for perm.

anyways that's all good luck with the petition.