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  1. #21
    Player
    Fevelle's Avatar
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    Feb 2015
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    Gridania
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    Character
    Fiona Greentear
    World
    Behemoth
    Main Class
    Conjurer Lv 50
    There is use for all of these skills:

    Scathe
    Freeze
    Surecast
    Sleep
    Lethargy

    ... while in PVE too. Surecast before the first Holy for WHM if you're surrounded and taking damage, Freeze when tank is losing aggro and the mobs are spreading, Sleep to help the healer if damage is too high or tank overpulled, Lethargy if something aggros you so the tank can take it back before it gets to you...
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  2. #22
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    Lambdafish's Avatar
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    Ul-Dah
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    Character
    Khuja'to Binbotaj
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Awareness
    Shield swipe
    Bulwark (to a lesser extent)
    Clemency has its uses, but is not viable as it stands
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  3. #23
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    waifugenerator's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Shatotto Totto
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Black Mage Lv 92
    Quote Originally Posted by hallena View Post
    Scathe
    Blizzard II
    Freeze
    Thunder II
    Surecast
    Sleep
    Lethargy
    Blizzard II is amazing for SMN, it's our only AoE filler spell. The rest are pretty useless now though, save for sleep for quests maybe.
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  4. #24
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    Trespar's Avatar
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    Character
    Miakis Lunefalena
    World
    Cerberus
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    Blizzard II is amazing for SMN, it's our only AoE filler spell. The rest are pretty useless now though, save for sleep for quests maybe.
    It's not amazing, it's just less shit than tri-bind.

    It's still shit, though.
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  5. #25
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    Aiselia's Avatar
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    Character
    Shandraya Heavenswind
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Lambdafish View Post
    Awareness
    Shield swipe
    Bulwark (to a lesser extent)
    Clemency has its uses, but is not viable as it stands
    What?

    Awareness and Bulwark both reduce damage you take, which obviously is important as a tank. Pairing it with Raw Intuition as a Warrior is great for pulls of multiple targets where at least some will not be in front of you.
    Shield Swipe is a 40 TP high enmity move which doesn't interrupt your combo, helping with TP conservation and aggro generation.

    How are they useless?
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  6. #26
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    Sylkis's Avatar
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    Gridania
    Posts
    613
    Character
    Sylkis Tea
    World
    Sophia
    Main Class
    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by waifugenerator View Post
    Blizzard II is amazing for SMN, it's our only AoE filler spell. The rest are pretty useless now though, save for sleep for quests maybe.
    Good for SCH too when 4+ enemies
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  7. #27
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    Geardagas's Avatar
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    Character
    Paito Maito
    World
    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Bard Lv 60
    There's only a few abilities that have absolutely 100% zero use, but there are alot that are generally useless save for a few niche scenarios.

    Bard:
    Shadowbind
    Warden's paeon
    Wide Volley (100% completely useless)

    Astrologian:
    the spear
    nocturnal sect
    collective unconscious
    celestial opposition
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  8. #28
    Player
    ChameleonMS's Avatar
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    Ul'dah
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    Character
    Jordan O'niell
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Paladin Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Geardagas View Post
    Warden's paeon
    Niche use coming:
    WAR in the party using Berserk and kindly uses a macro to let healer be ready for Esuna/Leeches in 15 seconds.
    BRD puts Warden's Paeon immediately on WAR. Healer never needs to do a thing.
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  9. #29
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    hallena's Avatar
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    Character
    Fara Venator
    World
    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Thaumaturge Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Geardagas View Post
    snip
    The spear is amazing, not sure why you think its useless. It's just one of those you spread and use it before big cooldowns are used
    Nocturnal sect make astro god mode in pvp
    Collective unconcious is pretty good after the fix making its regen a heal over time. Its basically a mana free aoe WHM's Regen
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  10. #30
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    MajisTek's Avatar
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    Gridania
    Posts
    59
    Character
    Majis Tek
    World
    Cactuar
    Main Class
    Ninja Lv 90
    I use Featherfoot on adds in A1S and A2S if dolls are in funky positions, I'm also not opposed to reworking abilities for any job. As far as One Ilm Punch goes It would be cool to see what they 'could' do to this ability but I like it as a situational dispel considering I have plenty of other buttons to press while playing Monk. Even though the PVP usage outweighs the PVE ratio like 90% PVP > 10% PVE
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