Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Paladinleeds]

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And this is exactly the reason why I chose the PLD. As a PLD, I'm trying to be this giant titanium impenetrable shield that can shrug off tank busters like it ain't no thing. That's why I play a full VIT tank. Thing is, despite being i188 (I was i186 on my last A1S encounter), I was still the first to die every time. And we couldn't beat it. Now imagine if I had STR accessories, I'd be even more toasted!

[AnimaS]

And this is exactly the reason why I chose the PLD. As a PLD, I'm trying to be this giant titanium impenetrable shield that can shrug off tank busters like it ain't no thing. That's why I play a full VIT tank. Thing is, despite being i188 (I was i186 on my last A1S encounter), I was still the first to die every time. And we couldn't beat it. Now imagine if I had STR accessories, I'd be even more toasted!

i have seen this happen with another pld on 1savage tank busters, the Paladin had no idea how to rotate cooldowns.

[Paladinleeds]

i have seen this happen with another pld on 1savage tank busters, the Paladin had no idea how to rotate cooldowns.

Do ya wanna know what was even more embarrassing for me? This was on Faust... the adds on Faust specifically.

[AnimaS]

Do ya wanna know what was even more embarrassing for me? This was on Faust... the adds on Faust specifically.

oh well that is a group dps issue there so not uncommon you'd die first. You need to participate if grabbing adds but not much at all... at this point gear makes that check pretty easy if the party setup is right. Faust needs to be dotted alot too, I've seen him drop as he was casting that pressure increase enrage and party members were dropping , from dots.

[JackFross]

Gear only gets you so far. Even if you have a dps who's been keeping up with gear, buying all the esoterics stuff they can get... if they were doing 800 on week 1 (which was low on week 1) they'll still only be around 900-950 if they're lucky, which is still 200-300 shy of where they should be.

Alexander Savage isn't really for the players who get by doing "good enough" - that's the main issue people have when they come into it saying "but a full VIT tank in tank stance should be good enough"

It's not for everyone (yet) and some people are really not okay with that. The DPS check on Faust is still real, regardless of gear. Slacking off or having bad dps means you'll still see enrage. My i200, 1400+-Faust-only dps drg self went in with a pug group. We saw enrage on Faust; he killed the tank before we killed him. That was just last week.

[Jim_Berry]

I was under the impression most tanks should stack all their points into Str since most Tank gear is so high in granting Vit bonuses, not to mention the additional str means they build Enmity more quickly, also makes their solo play more bearable. Don't all tank jobs grant high vit as well, my Dark Knight has all her points in Str but Vit is still the highest stat even naked, (naked 172 vs 190 at lv 43)

In a group, my Lv53 PLD is about 8800HP with STR accessories, 11000HP with VIT accessories. I'm sure I'll be close to borderline 8k HP if I respec'd attributes to be +30 STR instead of the +30 VIT. With 8k HP, one group was skeptical and thought I was new lol...

[TheLastRaven]

It's been repeatedly stated that in lower content and 4 mans you can faceroll it in any gear. If people are refusing to read that then that isn't the fault of people that are saying the STR gear is superior. Additionally, almost all advocates of STR gear are using a mix anyway, so this is just simple misinterpretation of the message. Noone is losing their shit for the extra minute, but if you can shave a minute off a run and not suffer any negatives then why wouldn't you?

It is the fault of those people advocating it to an extent because of the way most games player base works if they see the top players doing so and so they will try to copy it regardless of the good or bad. As you said the message is not being conveyed properly so then its up to all the players especially the ones coming up with these things to get the facts right for the rest of the players. I see too many tanks using a full side of STR accessories but have multiple issues as every tank changes dungeon to dungeon. One will think he is the best tank ever and have no tanking stance but full STR acc and die repeatedly. One has no idea about this other than what they hear from other players in towns or FCs or something and they come in wearing STR and cannot perform their jobs properly. This even happens in Alexander where i have had WAR and DRK thinking they are amazing and pull the group only to die in 5 seconds due to lack of proper gearing and wearing STR of just not using CDs. Which is another thing not for this thread. So sorry if i ranted a bit.

I also have to say you cannot comment on whether or not people lose it over a dungeon taking a minute or two extra. Seeing as you have not had it happen to you where as it has happened to me numerous times. I don't doubt it has happened to others. A minute difference is not a big difference sure if you can save one or a few good, but not at the cost of badgering your party and being an A**hat.This almost always ends up causing the dungeon to take longer because someone couldn't have some patience. Just because you can does not mean you should always.

[Delily]

So, I've been gearing up my DRK with Law gear (I'm slow), and I've followed the guidelines of Striking accessories with Fending armor. It seems in the EX roulette, however, I am very squishy. What's the recommendation for someone looking to do EX Bismarck, Ravana, and normal Alex?

[Nektulos-Tuor]

It is the fault of those people advocating it to an extent because of the way most games player base works if they see the top players doing so and so they will try to copy it regardless of the good or bad. As you said the message is not being conveyed properly so then its up to all the players especially the ones coming up with these things to get the facts right for the rest of the players. I see too many tanks using a full side of STR accessories but have multiple issues as every tank changes dungeon to dungeon. One will think he is the best tank ever and have no tanking stance but full STR acc and die repeatedly. One has no idea about this other than what they hear from other players in towns or FCs or something and they come in wearing STR and cannot perform their jobs properly. This even happens in Alexander where i have had WAR and DRK thinking they are amazing and pull the group only to die in 5 seconds due to lack of proper gearing and wearing STR of just not using CDs. Which is another thing not for this thread. So sorry if i ranted a bit.

I also have to say you cannot comment on whether or not people lose it over a dungeon taking a minute or two extra. Seeing as you have not had it happen to you where as it has happened to me numerous times. I don't doubt it has happened to others. A minute difference is not a big difference sure if you can save one or a few good, but not at the cost of badgering your party and being an A**hat.This almost always ends up causing the dungeon to take longer because someone couldn't have some patience. Just because you can does not mean you should always.

Thats the issue. They are going a full way instead of a part way.

I am always in Tank Stance unless i'm just not getting hit or the boss is casting something and not attacking me. So most of the time i'm in Tanking Stance. I have full strength for that extra 27% damage and I always keep my damage buffs up. I do fine DPS.

However, when I go on my healer to heal strength tanks. They are NOT in Tank Stance a lot, and switch out often when they are going to get spiked, which is BAAAAD! (VERY BAD!)

I don't mind going to DPS stance to use a Fell Cleave twice. However get back to tank stance quick!

[karateorangutang]

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the short answer to your question is yes. It is their fault.

Taking a snippet of the knowledge and applying it without understanding its effects is ignorance. Whether or not that ignorance is innocent or if it's laziness isn't the fault of the playerbase, but the player itself. If people are trying that hard to emulate high lvl players then they are already researching its effects. If someone refuses to read the whole thing and the process fails because of their lack of knowledge then that is their fault.

For the second paragraph: Really?

At this point I have run well over a thousand dungeons. That's a pretty decent sample size. I have maybe once or twice a month somebody that has a bad attitude. Of those one or two maybe one of them even concerns the time spent in a dungeon. Additionally, I'm speaking from the perspective that your using accessories and performing the job the way it should be performed. A VIT tank cycling and stance swapping intelligently will out perform a STR tank. That's elementary logic... I bet anyone with a brain could figure that out.

I really don't know what your poking at here. If a tank has a good handle on his job and knows how to play and has proper gearing on the left side, they will perform better with STR accessories in most situations. There are no absolutes here, but most of the time with dungeons that I enter in DF STR accessories are more efficient than VIT ones.