Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Kerano]

So basically, we're DPS who just happen to have taunts.

Kinda like how it seems healers are just DPS with heals. Obviously Healers nowdays seem to think their dpsing is more important then keeping people alive, because everyone has to have gear so they can survive on their own. The mentality in this game is so shrewd.

[Odett]

Kinda like how it seems healers are just DPS with heals. Obviously Healers nowdays seem to think their dpsing is more important then keeping people alive, because everyone has to have gear so they can survive on their own. The mentality in this game is so shrewd.

I'm sorry, would you like healers to just stand there and do nothing when there is nothing to heal? If your tanking is making a healer constantly babysit you, then the problem is you.

[Kerano]

I'm sorry, would you like healers to just stand there and do nothing when there is nothing to heal? If your tanking is making a healer constantly babysit you, then the problem is you.

I'M SORRY i always assumed that the healers role was healing first. It's your job to "babysit" the PARTY, if they don't need heals sure go ahead dps, but if every healers mentality is "You better gear up so good i don't have to play my role" It just sounds like most healers play healers so they can get in queues fast and still do the dps role. I'm more then happy if the healer can get time to dps.

[Sapphidia]

I'M SORRY i always assumed that the healers role was healing first. It's your job to "babysit" the PARTY, if they don't need heals sure go ahead dps, but if every healers mentality is "You better gear up so good i don't have to play my role"

This is actually worth quoting because it highlights half the point of the back and forth in this thread. It's just as much the tank's job to babysit the party too. If they dont need extra tanking stats to be able to survive, they should go ahead and dps.

The only reason this thread exists is because the mechanics of the game allow for tanks AND healers to gear themselves for damage rather than their primary role, because their primary role isnt so difficult that they're at risk of everything dying if they don't focus 100% on them. The issue is that the squishier a tank is, the less a healer can add DPS to the party, and the more a tank has to gear up to allow a healer to DPS, the less DPS the tank adds.

It's give and take, and varies from dungeon to dungeon. What we DON'T need is each side standing flinging mud at the other side saying "well I do more DPS than you so you should accomodate ME".

[Viralblack]

I'M SORRY i always assumed that the healers role was healing first. It's your job to "babysit" the PARTY

The fact that you just referred to healers as babysitters pretty much shows you have zero symbiosis with your healing partners. My job isnt to carry your desire to dps while aoe tanking more than you can handle, but generally it becomes that. Melee doesnt want to move, so they dont to get more dps. Tanks dont want to wear tank gear, so they wear STR and tax my globals. Black mages dont want to navigate away from their circle, so they take the extra hit and save their dps.

You should try being an all glorious and lazy healer sometime, its amazing just how much bullshit you have to carry because people cant work together.

[spelley]

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Strawman is strawman. There is such a thing as a healer DPSing too much that doesn't result in "babysitting." Healers can tunnel vision when DPSing, or will sometimes end up doing the "I'll just finish this cast, swap out of Cleric's and heal" far too late. This is why I (sometimes) prefer tanks with a bit of extra VIT. Top them up, shield them, then have plenty of time to DPS myself before swapping back.

A VIT tank and a STR tank do take the same amount of damage as quickly, but the ebb and flow is more comfortable for me. If the tank is rotating cooldowns, have good gear and is using their self-healing/mitigation well, then they don't need as much VIT. A tank doing all of the above will "feel" the same as a higher VIT tank, but it will depend on the skill/gear level of the tanks and healers involved.