Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Jim_Berry]

I was against tanks wearing STR accessories because if the demand for healers to wear INT gear, I felt the game would become sour. However, I tried running dungeons today as my PLD with STR accessories.

I honestly can say that when I did those same dungeons with the same people, the kills were a bit faster. I even went a further stepped and stayed in Sword Oath. Coming from a DPS background where my damage generally sucked, it kinda makes me feel somewhat decent that my tank can tank and deal some damage. Of course, I'm still lower than a WAR and DRK, but it HAS increased a little.

The only bad thing is, when I join a Roulette, they see my HP is just barely breaking 9400 and they get skeptical lol...

[Eye_Gore]

500 baby, woo hoo

[Jim_Berry]

Just to add, deep down, I still prefer my VIT accessories, but I totally understand now the demand for damage since Square-Enix set the fights up this way. I, myself, don't raid, so wearing the STR gear in dungeons is good. I'll only wear it in dungeons currently, though. Wanted to try it in Final Coil (excluding T12 and T13, but nothing popped for me in DF for over an hour, then I had to come to work).

[JackFross]

I was against tanks wearing STR accessories because if the demand for healers to wear INT gear, I felt the game would become sour.

This is not the same thing, at all, fyi.

Cleric Stance swaps your INT and MND stats while boosting attack spell potency by 10% and decreasing healing spell potency by 20%; every healer has access to this skill. Stacking INT as a healer is strictly bad. You get literally no benefit from it outside of... dpsing out of Cleric Stance or healing while in Cleric Stance. But we call either of those "Playing the class wrong" and don't use that as a metric by which to measure players.

Also, it really depends what content you're running. Keep in mind that if your health is too low to survive the biggest hit in the encounter with proper mitigation, you SHOULD put more Vitality on. You just wanna ride it as close as possible (accounting for RNG; don't survive it by 100 hp, survive it by 1000) and turn the rest of the VIT into STR. Assuming you want to maximize the class you're playing, of course. If you're looking for safe clears and don't trust your healers, by all means be a fluffy lovable tank who shrugs off unmitigated Flattens.

[rawker]

To better recreate this dilemma on healers, think of it this way:
Piety vs Mind
Piety gives you more MP which translates to more heals and natural MP regen, right? If the game is properly developed, healers will also have to face the same dilemma of having more heals but each heal does less or more potent heals but you can't heal that often as you'll be OOM in no time.

That is the current dilemma Tank classes face. We are trying to maximize our current toolkit while marginally compromising our main role in the party.

[Awful]

Vit should be changed, there's no reason to go vit accessories it's a shame the old stats of 1.20 weren't brought in. They were very different to what you could allocate your stats to for example:Vitality Damage taken Enhancement Magic Potency Maximum HP Damage dealt by marauder arm. Meaning that they were planning to have Vit reduce dmg taken and increase dmg in some way (at least for marauders), they should go back to that formula and put in the dmg reduction and + dmg with pld/drk/war arms.
Edit: Old 1. patches http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...tch-1.20-Notes

[Sida]

To me it seems this is getting to be pretty much the same argument as "should healers damage or not". And the rule is about the same, for healers it's about downtime, for tanks it's about excess hit points. No healer appreciates the " paper tank", that is those who have less hp than, in some cases, the casters of the group. But when they have well enough hp to do their job properly it's not wrong to add in STR to smooth things out. As much as healer should not be dps'ing when the party needs heals but otherwise is usually welcome to make some boom.

[TheLastRaven]

I honestly hate the fact that tanks a class based on taking damage and helping keep the party alive is having to crank out dps. It seems its always for one of two reasons. I like being a tank if i wanted to dps I would play one of my dps classes

1. Everyone has to be doing tons of damage because if a dungeon takes 1 extra minute someone is gonna lose their s**t.

2. Progression/End Game Raiders have said you need to have all the extra damage for doing the end game raids and that translates to everyone doing the same thing even in low dungeons.

[karateorangutang]

I honestly hate the fact that tanks a class based on taking damage and helping keep the party alive is having to crank out dps. It seems its always for one of two reasons. I like being a tank if i wanted to dps I would play one of my dps classes

1. Every has to be doing tons of damage because if a dungeon takes 1 extra minute someone is gonna lose their s**t.

2. Progression/End Game Raiders have said you need to have all the extra damage for doing the end game raids and that translates to everyone doing the same thing even in low dungeons.

It's been repeatedly stated that in lower content and 4 mans you can faceroll it in any gear. If people are refusing to read that then that isn't the fault of people that are saying the STR gear is superior. Additionally, almost all advocates of STR gear are using a mix anyway, so this is just simple misinterpretation of the message. Noone is losing their shit for the extra minute, but if you can shave a minute off a run and not suffer any negatives then why wouldn't you?

The people that are not making good use of a certain setup are generally misinformed and can be taught. If we aren't teach them the limits of the gear and how they should be using it then we are doing them and ourselves a disservice. If you have a STR tank in your party do you watch their buffs on the pulls? Are they cycling cooldowns on trash mobs? They should be. If they aren't politely inform them. Alot of stuff can be fixed with just a gentle nudge.

[TheLastRaven]

It's been repeatedly stated that in lower content and 4 mans you can faceroll it in any gear. If people are refusing to read that then that isn't the fault of people that are saying the STR gear is superior. Additionally, almost all advocates of STR gear are using a mix anyway, so this is just simple misinterpretation of the message. Noone is losing their shit for the extra minute, but if you can shave a minute off a run and not suffer any negatives then why wouldn't you?

It is the fault of those people advocating it to an extent because of the way most games player base works if they see the top players doing so and so they will try to copy it regardless of the good or bad. As you said the message is not being conveyed properly so then its up to all the players especially the ones coming up with these things to get the facts right for the rest of the players. I see too many tanks using a full side of STR accessories but have multiple issues as every tank changes dungeon to dungeon. One will think he is the best tank ever and have no tanking stance but full STR acc and die repeatedly. One has no idea about this other than what they hear from other players in towns or FCs or something and they come in wearing STR and cannot perform their jobs properly. This even happens in Alexander where i have had WAR and DRK thinking they are amazing and pull the group only to die in 5 seconds due to lack of proper gearing and wearing STR of just not using CDs. Which is another thing not for this thread. So sorry if i ranted a bit.

I also have to say you cannot comment on whether or not people lose it over a dungeon taking a minute or two extra. Seeing as you have not had it happen to you where as it has happened to me numerous times. I don't doubt it has happened to others. A minute difference is not a big difference sure if you can save one or a few good, but not at the cost of badgering your party and being an A**hat.This almost always ends up causing the dungeon to take longer because someone couldn't have some patience. Just because you can does not mean you should always.