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    Player
    Dante_V's Avatar
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    Dante Venarra
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    Jenova
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    If you can't heal a tank with 14k hp in a level 60 dungeon you should perhaps get some more practice. You'd literally have to stand there for about 15 - 20 seconds doing nothing in order for the tank to die.
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    Ingrid Krimhilde
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    Ragnarok
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 60
    The game is about dpsing. Whatever is your job/class, to reach its maximal potential you have to try to make the more dps you can while tanking or healing.

    Of course everyone can just simply heal, aggro, or kill, it doesn't change the fact that the ultimate goal for every class is the biggest dps possible.
    Everyone can finish a dungeon. The thing is about to finish it as quickly as possible in the end.

    Newbies should have a balance mix of str & vit
    Veteran should use as much Str as they can. I mean... to continue to progress as a gamer. (it's not obligatory of course !)
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    Last edited by Mclyde; 09-02-2015 at 03:01 AM.

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    Player Nadirah's Avatar
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    Nadirah Serenity
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    Raiden
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    Paladin Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Dante_V View Post
    If you can't heal a tank with 14k hp in a level 60 dungeon you should perhaps get some more practice. You'd literally have to stand there for about 15 - 20 seconds doing nothing in order for the tank to die.
    I can't heal a tank with 14k hp that doesn't stay in range long enough to get more than a lustrate off in some of these.

    First room in fractal is really bad sometimes. Esp with deliverance warriors that seem to forget how to grab initial hate.
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    Shikiseki's Avatar
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    Akio Shikimazu
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    Odin
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    Summoner Lv 100
    My left side is purely decided upon avoiding parry and adjusting accuracy. Doesn't have to be full vit I agree but as long as your right side isn't making up for it, stick with VIT
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    Hivernica's Avatar
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    Damien Nellemond
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    Coeurl
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 84
    I reached level 60 on my dark knight a few days ago and bought the vitality i170 accessories simply to help because the rest of my gear was lacking. Right now I'm i179 with around 16k. How much hp would I need? I have all the i190 strength accessories since I geared dragoon before I reached lvl60 on my DRK. In 8 man content most groups won't let me MT because apparently 16k is not enough.

    Also, what is best? Attribute points in VIT, STR accs, or STR attribute points and STR accs?
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    Ralvenom Mahlfusant
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    Exodus
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    Warrior Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Hivernica View Post
    I reached level 60 on my dark knight a few days ago and bought the vitality i170 accessories simply to help because the rest of my gear was lacking. Right now I'm i179 with around 16k. How much hp would I need? I have all the i190 strength accessories since I geared dragoon before I reached lvl60 on my DRK. In 8 man content most groups won't let me MT because apparently 16k is not enough.

    Also, what is best? Attribute points in VIT, STR accs, or STR attribute points and STR accs?
    Attribute points in STR. Get STR acc when the rest of your gear is good.
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    Voldemort's Avatar
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    Princess Estellise
    World
    Hyperion
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 70
    I believe if you are a PLD, then you stack vitality.

    The reason being is to allow the PLD to do their own "healing" with stoneskin and protection. They can absorb as much damage as possible before a healer has to intervene.
    In which case a healer can in all other times, perform nuking DPS actions.

    If you are a WAR or a DRK, then the best option is to give yourself just enough vitality to survive, and stack strength for the rest. This maximizes the DPS potential of each, because the healer has to heal Wars and Drks more often than Plds.
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    Noira's Avatar
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    Alexa Nubara
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Alchemist Lv 50
    No even as PLD I use STR accessories.

    1) Clemency Scales with it

    2) My protection actually goes up as I tend to use Bloodbath.

    3) I like to stance dance and Royal Authority does decent damage.
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    Rowan Sternritter
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    Cuchulainn
    Main Class
    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Noira View Post
    No even as PLD I use STR accessories.

    1) Clemency Scales with it

    2) My protection actually goes up as I tend to use Bloodbath.

    3) I like to stance dance and Royal Authority does decent damage.
    However, Paladin does have more reason to go full VIT than the other two tanks because they can Stoneskin themselves, have Divine Veil, and cast interruption is apparently based on what % of your max HP you've been hit for. Warriors arguably have reason to stack VIT because of how Defiance and Thrill of Battle work but it's still better for them to stack STR for Bloodbath and Equilibrium, and Dark Knights actually benefit in some ways from stacking STR over VIT because of Souleater and Living Dead.

    It's kind of funny to me how two of the three tank jobs actually work better with their in-built kits if they use DPS accessories. And morbidly hilarious that using tank accessories on one of them is actually a considerable detriment.
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    Shyle Katriss
    World
    Ultros
    Main Class
    Samurai Lv 70
    Do this:
    Are you the tank?
    If yes, did you die while tanking in STR gear?
    If No, ask the healer if they had to struggle to keep you up, did they?
    If no, Keep on keeping on. If yes, start swapping out some vit items and see how that does until you get better gear, or use CD's effectively.

    All this may change in upcoming content, but right now, I haven't come across anything that really posed any threat to me other than the healer falling asleep, as a tank in str. (note, I'm speaking as a warrior and NOT in Savage Alex).

    I actually had a healer in Neverreap EX roulette tell me to stay in deliverance and in my str gear and just tank in that. It was the quickest and smoothest run I ever been in for roulette. I wish I remembered the healers name.
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