Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Metalwrath]

Strength Accessories + 20% from Maim + 50% from Berserk + Unchained is a very huge increase in damage. I would say even about 50% because damage modifiers multiply your damage. I was talking about that if you read my thread.

I have a much easier time healing dungeons when the tanks go full strength, because things honesty die faster.

Strength tanks have more self-healing and sustained health and usually know how to use their mitigation tools better.

I don't consider unchained a damage booster.It's mererly nullifying the damage reduction from defiance and has an annoyingly long cooldown.Also if you gonna use that combo for burst damage it's much better to use those 5 stacks of wrath as abandon instead for a fell cleave which is a free 500 potency hit.Not to mention deliverance gives you more base damage than unchained will.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

I don't consider unchained a damage booster.It's mererly nullifying the damage reduction from defiance and has an annoyingly long cooldown.Also if you gonna use that combo for burst damage it's much better to use those 5 stacks of wrath as abandon instead for a fell cleave which is a free 500 potency hit.Not to mention deliverance gives you more base damage than unchained will.

120s is about as long as most defensive cool-downs. Its not that long.

It makes you 1/4th more damage.

Its a huge damage boost because "all" your damage is being cut by 25%.

Deliverance also cuts your threat and defense down significantly.

Does Deliverance give you threat? I haven't played Warrior past 50ish yet but I was a 50 warrior for quite a long time.

[Erit]

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Considering damage generates threat, yes; Deliverance does give a good WAR threat, especially considering their aggro combo is also their primary damage combo. It's a bit like Sword Oath tanking; requires skill.

[SpookyGhost]

Considering damage generates threat, yes; Deliverance does give a good WAR threat, especially considering their aggro combo is also their primary damage combo. It's a bit like Sword Oath tanking; requires skill.

Damage generates threat, but the enmity multiplier on Defiance generates more threat than the increased damage from Deliverance. Unchained negates the damage penalty, thus allowing for even higher threat generation. The more threat you generate in your opener, the more time you can spend in Deliverance alternating between SE -> SP (your 2 debuffs you want to keep up as much as possible, especially when not in Defiance). You also want to open with SE combo, which is only possible in Defiance, under Unchained.

[FallenWings]

... You also want to open with SE combo, which is only possible in Defiance, under Unchained.

Possible in Deliverance with a NIN support, Smokescreen on the DRG/MNK(?), and Quelling Strikes on the BRD/MCH/BLM. Granted you will be rotating more BB's because they're still gonna tail you pretty hard.

[Erit]

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I never denied that Defiance generates more threat than Deliverance. I simply equated it to Sword Oath tanking; you deal more damage but require more coordination and competence to maintain aggro. WARs reach the peak of their power when stance-dancing anyway, so the most capable WARs can Deliverance tank with minimal issues unless some other part of the group is cripplingly inept.

Even the best tanks need their tank stance for certain portions of a fight, but the best tanks can also get away with switching to DPS stance or dropping Grit and going nuts for other portions of the fight. Hell, even I can find windows to drop Grit and go ham, and I'm one of the most inept tanks that I know.

[Metalwrath]

I never denied that Defiance generates more threat than Deliverance. I simply equated it to Sword Oath tanking; you deal more damage but require more coordination and competence to maintain aggro. WARs reach the peak of their power when stance-dancing anyway, so the most capable WARs can Deliverance tank with minimal issues unless some other part of the group is cripplingly inept.

Even the best tanks need their tank stance for certain portions of a fight, but the best tanks can also get away with switching to DPS stance or dropping Grit and going nuts for other portions of the fight. Hell, even I can find windows to drop Grit and go ham, and I'm one of the most inept tanks that I know.

Warrior also has the advantage of cross classing flash.So we can spam it inbetween tanking in deliverance seeming as it's the only use we have for mana anyway.

[Zaresin]

Warrior also has the advantage of cross classing flash.So we can spam it inbetween tanking in deliverance seeming as it's the only use we have for mana anyway.

Cross class flash only gives you emnity. Pld get the trait that gives it blind. Other jobs do not. Also to point out the small amount of emnity it gives. If you're in DPS stance and have a spiker in your group you will not be able to hold aggro on mobs.