Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Sensual]

Maybe you should also consider being a pink-haired female Miqo'te with a japanese name and using Coliseum gear as a glamour and have a macro that screams "Notice me senpaiii~"

But half my glams are already pink, i have pink limbal rings, purplish hair to go along with all the pink and my last name is senpai.

That's a pretty long post too, but i stopped reading after this, you sound mad and i don't wanna be opressed by your infinite wisdom. You sound very brilliant after such a remarkable comment.

[Freyyy]

That was not especially directed to you. It was just to compare the fact that you think you're only here to tank (basically being an attention-whore with the mobs) with an actual portion of the playerbase. Sorry if I offended you. It was not intended at all, I in fact even wanted to make some humor out of that. I'm not mad. Just sick of all these debates about STR and VIT on tanks and tanks thinking that they are only here to have an enormous chunk of useless HP just to take damage and nothing else. I want people to understand that VIT is like accuracy; once a certain cap is met, it's useless to go any further. You can invest the rest in more STR and use all of your job's capabilities to help your party at maximum.

And for

I wondered how long it would be before someone used that. No, i haven't been into alexander savage yet, however i have been into all the other savage modes pre nerfs, on all of the classes i have available. I know how an enrage timer works.
Once again, i say: If your raid is failing because your tank isn't putting out an extra * amount of damage, the issue isn't just your tank.

*sigh*. Does my nut in when people throw that crap around.

It's a new thing in Alexander Savage. Old 2.x raids didn't need tanks to put extra DPS. But from 3.0 Yoshi himself said that they were this time calculating fights to require healers and tanks to DPS as much as they can while performing their roles at their best and it's true. Alexander Savage DPS checks are no joke at all. You cannot clear them with tanks just tanking and healers just healing.

[Divine_Intervention]

Fair enough. Based on that information, i'll give savage a go on my tank (once i finish it with my healer main of course), and reserve my judgement till then.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not *entirely* disagreeing with you here. I believe all roles are capable of a little extra damage here and there, but i do feel that in something as my first time for example, i won't be focusing on pumping out damage as a tank, i'll be focusing on learning how to tank it.

As for earlier content, the same principles apply really. Was it made easier by tanks dpsing where they could, yeah. Was it 100% you're going to fail if they dont.. no.

[Freyyy]

Fair enough. Based on that information, i'll give savage a go on my tank (once i finish it with my healer main of course), and reserve my judgement till then.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not *entirely* disagreeing with you here. I believe all roles are capable of a little extra damage here and there, but i do feel that in something as my first time for example, i won't be focusing on pumping out damage as a tank, i'll be focusing on learning how to tank it.

As for earlier content, the same principles apply really. Was it made easier by tanks dpsing where they could, yeah. Was it 100% you're going to fail if they dont.. no.

Of course you have to first focus on learning the tanking, it's your role after all. That's completely normal. But once you get how you must tank a fight, finding how and when you can dish out more damage is the best thing a tank can do. As well as figuring out how much HP he's comfortable with before going STR on the rest. Tanking is always the priority as a tank. But it's not all you have to do.

[JMadFour]

So basically, we're DPS who just happen to have taunts.

yes? that's the mentality I should play with?

No, I haven't done any Savage anything, I'm still leveling.

after reading a couple of different threads like this, I decided to go ahead and switch all my points to STR, and swap all my accessories to STR ones, and just get used to tanking with minimum amounts of health now while I am leveling, so that when I get to max-level content, I won't have to hear anybody whining about it.

[Dante_V]

If you are in savage you need to be able to play your role AND your job to its maximum ability and teams will absolutely require you to pull dps as a tank or healer (respective to the mechanics) if you are doing this content. In the case of the current raid this absolutely requires maximizing dps. If you are a drk or a war and only putting out 500 dps as an off tank you are a detriment to your team. When you have a duty that requires a total dps number that is higher than what just the dps can do then all resources need to be utilized in order to clear the content. Otherwise you will be standing at the entrance looking at Faust. As ilvls increase this will die down a bit and allow for a more casual approach but as it sits now you need to put out everything possible to clear. That extra 2k Heath from going straight vit vs Str/vit will not save you from enrage.

[Alahra]

I still want to meet these magical healers that can out dps an equally geared WAR (I'll even throw DRK in there) in dps stance on a boss to make the dungeon "faster".

Tanks have much better reasons to use STR accessories on bosses, yes, as healer single target damage is less significant than their AoE damage. Incoming damage in most dungeon boss fights is also often lower and more manageable than most trash pulls since the expectation is to pull 2 to 3 groups at once, honestly, so healer DPS isn't lost as much on bosses when healing a STR tank. The higher margin of error still exists, though (especially since dungeon boss tank busters aren't usually as telegraphed as raid boss ones are, making cooldown timing a bit trickier).

This highlights, as usual, the need for STR and VIT to be situational and for tanks to be willing to adjust as situation dictates, understanding the value of both and when they are most valuable in their respective situations.

[HoodRat]

So basically, we're DPS who just happen to have taunts.

yes? that's the mentality I should play with?

No, I haven't done any Savage anything, I'm still leveling.

after reading a couple of different threads like this, I decided to go ahead and switch all my points to STR, and swap all my accessories to STR ones, and just get used to tanking with minimum amounts of health now while I am leveling, so that when I get to max-level content, I won't have to hear anybody whining about it.

You don't have to dps, you could stand there and do absolutely nothing when you don't need to work on gaining enmity or mitigating anything. Just don't get upset when you start getting kicked out of every group.

[Freyyy]

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If you intend to get into end game raiding, it's pretty much this. In this game, all jobs are damage dealers with characteristics that make them a tank, a healer, or a DPS.

Basically it is how jobs are built :
Tank = Damage + tanking
Healer = Damage + healing
DPS = Damage + more damage

But it's more accurate to say it that way :
Tank = Tanking + Damage
Healer = Healing + Damage
DPS = Damage + Damage


Tanking will always be the first priority of a tank as well as healing for a healer. But all jobs have high damage capabilities and it's not here for nothing. It's how this game's meta works currently. It may change in the future, we don't know. But the holy trinity is not as limited as in most other classical MMOs.

[TouchandFeel]

So basically, we're DPS who just happen to have taunts.

yes? that's the mentality I should play with?

Not exactly, you are first and foremost a tank and should behave as such.

Basically for me Tank priorities are as follows (not including encounter specific mechanics).

1) Aggro control and mob positioning/placement.
2) Mitigating damage, dodging stuff, not dying.
3) DPS.

After becoming familiar with tanking and the content, 1 and 2 sort of become second nature and you just start doing it without really thinking too much about it, which leaves you more room to focus on improving your DPS.