Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Ralvenom]

I reached level 60 on my dark knight a few days ago and bought the vitality i170 accessories simply to help because the rest of my gear was lacking. Right now I'm i179 with around 16k. How much hp would I need? I have all the i190 strength accessories since I geared dragoon before I reached lvl60 on my DRK. In 8 man content most groups won't let me MT because apparently 16k is not enough.

Also, what is best? Attribute points in VIT, STR accs, or STR attribute points and STR accs?

Attribute points in STR. Get STR acc when the rest of your gear is good.

[Voldemort]

I believe if you are a PLD, then you stack vitality.

The reason being is to allow the PLD to do their own "healing" with stoneskin and protection. They can absorb as much damage as possible before a healer has to intervene.
In which case a healer can in all other times, perform nuking DPS actions.

If you are a WAR or a DRK, then the best option is to give yourself just enough vitality to survive, and stack strength for the rest. This maximizes the DPS potential of each, because the healer has to heal Wars and Drks more often than Plds.

[Noira]

No even as PLD I use STR accessories.

1) Clemency Scales with it

2) My protection actually goes up as I tend to use Bloodbath.

3) I like to stance dance and Royal Authority does decent damage.

[Shyle]

Do this:
Are you the tank?
If yes, did you die while tanking in STR gear?
If No, ask the healer if they had to struggle to keep you up, did they?
If no, Keep on keeping on. If yes, start swapping out some vit items and see how that does until you get better gear, or use CD's effectively.

All this may change in upcoming content, but right now, I haven't come across anything that really posed any threat to me other than the healer falling asleep, as a tank in str. (note, I'm speaking as a warrior and NOT in Savage Alex).

I actually had a healer in Neverreap EX roulette tell me to stay in deliverance and in my str gear and just tank in that. It was the quickest and smoothest run I ever been in for roulette. I wish I remembered the healers name.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

Do this:
Are you the tank?
If yes, did you die while tanking in STR gear?
If No, ask the healer if they had to struggle to keep you up, did they?
If no, Keep on keeping on. If yes, start swapping out some vit items and see how that does until you get better gear, or use CD's effectively.

All this may change in upcoming content, but right now, I haven't come across anything that really posed any threat to me other than the healer falling asleep, as a tank in str. (note, I'm speaking as a warrior and NOT in Savage Alex).

I actually had a healer in Neverreap EX roulette tell me to stay in deliverance and in my str gear and just tank in that. It was the quickest and smoothest run I ever been in for roulette. I wish I remembered the healers name.

The issue is. If things die faster, you actually have to heal less. The longer the fight is, the longer your mana drains.

Strength, by making you do more damage literally makes the fight shorter. It increases your survivability.

"They can't keel u if they are alrdy ded!"

[Erit]

No even as PLD I use STR accessories.

1) Clemency Scales with it

2) My protection actually goes up as I tend to use Bloodbath.

3) I like to stance dance and Royal Authority does decent damage.

However, Paladin does have more reason to go full VIT than the other two tanks because they can Stoneskin themselves, have Divine Veil, and cast interruption is apparently based on what % of your max HP you've been hit for. Warriors arguably have reason to stack VIT because of how Defiance and Thrill of Battle work but it's still better for them to stack STR for Bloodbath and Equilibrium, and Dark Knights actually benefit in some ways from stacking STR over VIT because of Souleater and Living Dead.

It's kind of funny to me how two of the three tank jobs actually work better with their in-built kits if they use DPS accessories. And morbidly hilarious that using tank accessories on one of them is actually a considerable detriment.

[echoica]

You're making this suggestion to "new players" but imo that's the worst audience to be making this suggestion to. It's the new tanks that tend to be bad with their cd/rotation and are under geared. They need to learn to tank first before becoming a master of maximizing their tank dps via dps stance/dps accessories. Maybe you need to work on your own dps so tanks don't have to compensate and do your job for you.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

You're making this suggestion to "new players" but imo that's the worst audience to be making this suggestion to. It's the new tanks that tend to be bad with their cd/rotation and are under geared. They need to learn to tank first before becoming a master of maximizing their tank dps via dps stance/dps accessories. Maybe you need to work on your own dps so tanks don't have to compensate and do your job for you.

I don't mind switching to Cleric Stance when we are pulling an encounter at a time. However when EVERY SINGLE TANK, goes into full room pulls you don't really have time to switch out to DPS especially if your a ilvl154 new healer like I am. Every time I have had a strength tank we have been doing fine because I am able to keep him up and the mobs die fast.

However, every time I have a bloated VIT tank they take forever to die and rely on their bloated HP. The mobs eventually kill us because I either or dps rip aggro, run out of mana or the mobs last too long and kill the tank or dps.

Vitality does not increase your survivability, it increases your "own" chance to make mistakes. Its a very "SELFISH" stat.

Strength on the other hand, makes the fight easier and faster for the healer because it makes the fight quicker.

I asked to slow down, got vote kicked. I play a Tank and a Healer and I do room pulls. However I use my CDs and make sure to go full DPS so they don't have to heal me for very long.

"That extra 200+ strength you get from left accessories and stat points matter. A LOT."


Strength tanks care about DPS and their rotations defensive and offensive. They pay attention to mechanics and dodge more.

Vitality tanks are lazy and usually go through threat rotations more because they have to to even hold aggro. They usually make mistakes, a lot of them and seem afkish and yell at you when they pull 3-4 rooms and it takes 2 minutes to kill then whine when they die.

This has happened several times already.. sorry.

[Eye_Gore]

However, every time I have a bloated VIT tank they take forever to die and rely on their bloated HP. The mobs eventually kill us because I either or dps rip aggro, run out of mana or the mobs last too long and kill the tank or dps.

On mob fights tank DPS has minimal effect atleast it does for me. Its more for the boss fights that its actually noticeable. If mobs are taking too long, its not the tanks fault.

[Erit]

-Snip-

This brings up the other half of the "skill" thing. Let's remember the rules of fist:

If you are not an experienced tank who knows the ins and outs of a given dungeon, run with Vitality accessories (not necessarily full VIT, but two or three pieces to lend some wriggle room.)
If you are not an experienced tank who knows the ins and outs of a given dungeon, don't do multi-pack pulls.
If you are an experienced tank who knows the ins and outs of a dungeon, run with Strength accessories to accelerate kill times and look badass.
If you are an experienced tank who knows the ins and outs of a dungeon, do multi-pack pulls as you see fit to accelerate clear times and look badass.

If your group has absolute garbage AoE capability (like, say, PLD, double NIN and a SCH), take whatever build you want but for the love of the DarkWaradin don't pull half the sodding dungeon in one go.

Now notice how the scenario you describe doesn't jive with those guidelines? Like as not your tank was just a novice who thought he was the new hotness about to go solo Savage.

But as others have been saying? If a pack of trash is taking the average runtime of an episode of Judge Judy to die, maaaaaybe look at the people who were recruited by the DF to kill the damn things before you look at the person who volunteered to be punched in the face for you.