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  1. #421
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Cirra Maru
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    Famfrit
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    Is a healer's job only to heal? Should a DPS (whose job is to DPS) never use E4E/Virus/Rend/Mantra?

    Don't be so narrow minded. We have one job as a group, and that's to smoke enemies, regardless of who's healing/DPSing/tanking.
    I don't want the DPS to be wasting their time switching target to the tank for Eye for an Eye when they could be doing DPS, and especially when two healers are fully capable of casting it. Virus and Mantra are a lot more useful for a DPS to use in combat cause they don't have to switch targets.
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  2. #422
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    Sleigh's Avatar
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    Philia Felice
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    Gilgamesh
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    Thaumaturge Lv 70
    You can just use an E4E <tt> or <mo> macro if you're a DPS. Same with Apocatastasis, Resurrection, Goad, whatever, you never actually have to lose your target when using support.
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    Last edited by Sleigh; 09-13-2015 at 02:47 PM.

  3. #423
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    ArdorGrey's Avatar
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    Ardor Grey
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    Zalera
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Sleigh View Post
    You can just use an E4E <tt> or <mo> macro if you're a DPS. Same with Apocatastasis, Resurrection, Goad, whatever, you never actually have to lose your target when using support.
    Would you mind elaborating a bit more? I alt nin and anything to make using goad & the aggro tools more efficient would be awesome. ^^
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  4. #424
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    SpookyGhost's Avatar
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    Kori Fleming
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    Cerberus
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    Marauder Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by ArdorGrey View Post
    Would you mind elaborating a bit more? I alt nin and anything to make using goad & the aggro tools more efficient would be awesome. ^^
    <tt> is target's target (so if you're targeting the boss, and the boss is aggro'd to your tank, using a <tt> macro would use that ability on the aggro'd tank) and <mo> is mouseover (so if you hover your mouse over a player on the party list or their character model and press that macro you'll use that ability on them without needing to click on them/change targets).

    An example for Goad would be:
    /micon "Goad"
    /ac "Goad" <tt>

    or

    /micon "Goad"
    /ac "Goad" <mo>
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  5. #425
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    Ashkendor Zahirr
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Whiston View Post
    Breaking news: the true tank primary stat is piety.
    Flash is OP, please nerfs SE.

    Time to start a new thread on the MP balance issues and why DRK is way too far ahead of WAR.
    I wonder... if I made a set of jewelry melded with piety, if anyone would notice and call me out. xD

    Quote Originally Posted by ArdorGrey View Post
    Would you mind elaborating a bit more? I alt nin and anything to make using goad & the aggro tools more efficient would be awesome. ^^
    If you play with mouse and keyboard, mouseover macros are a lifesaver for abilities you may have to use on one of several players during the course of a fight. I put Cover on a mouseover macro back in T13 and left it that way ever since cause I love it.
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  6. 09-13-2015 05:10 PM
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    why did i post twice lol time to go to bed

  7. #426
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    KeluBehemoth's Avatar
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    Kelu Euron
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    Behemoth
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Reminds me of a Paladin I ha in Bray Regular who refused to do anything but spam flash. He argued the same thing saying he quote "usually just spams flash and /mandervilledance" "I'll play how I want to" "I'm the tank and if I wanted to DPS I would have played a DPS"
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  8. #427
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    lol123's Avatar
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    Green Lighta
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    Tonberry
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    Conjurer Lv 55
    This thread hasn't stopped? Hey how about if your gear is high enough to not stress out the healer and you know the fight by all means add some strength gear if your undergeard don't add any strength gear why do we need 40 pages of derp?
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  9. #428
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    KeluBehemoth's Avatar
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    Kelu Euron
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    Behemoth
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Theres a ton of confusion in this thread and a ton of REALLY good points from a lot of people on both sides.

    VIT is a cushion. Where is that cushion good? In content that the tank is either undergeared for or unexperienced with. New raids. Low level dungeons and huge trash pulls

    A healer is going to do a HELL of a lot more DPS on a big trash pull than you're ever going to hope to achieve spamming your skills

    STR is the BEST for single target/boss content. (Unless the tank is undergeared/inexprienced then refer to the above)

    If you manage your cooldowns properly, combined with your mitigation you're going to take your party further with that added DPS and threat generation

    I actually wear my VIT during trash pulls and then swap to STR when we get to the boss.

    Again there is no cookie cutter perfect loadout for your tank. The jobs playstyle is situational and responsive and so is the gear
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  10. #429
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    Fynlar's Avatar
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    Fynlar Eira
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    Hyperion
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Maybe if healers stopped letting me die due to my low HP running out before their cures finish casting, I'd consider it more.
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  11. #430
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    Alistaire's Avatar
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    Your Character
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    Sargatanas
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    Blue Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Olipopsicle View Post
    Tanks job is to Tank. Not deal damage. This is why we have "Damage" classes.
    Posts like this are why we need a dislike button.
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