Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[Sida]

To the comments about healer being bad and saying it's not relevant to this conversation, I think it is very relevant. You can't choose your party (in random DF) but you can choose your equipment. Instead of going blanket black and white, I say tanks should know how adding STR affects to their job, not be afraid to use it when it's reasonable, but that's about that. No strict "you have to use this or that".

[Lantia]

Yesterday I switched my VIT Gear to STR Gear:
Lost 20% of my HP (drop from 10k to 8k) and only won 10% DMG.
Did a small testrun on the Big Yeti Fate:
Result: DMG can be still ignored but I lost 20% of my HP (no hate issues by players in my same range so same as before)

So I do not see why STR should be much better then VIT.
I also read some calculations that STR PLD can increase in endgame the DPS of the group by 100-200. Which means it needs (based on 4000+ DPS) 20-40 Seconds to be worth for one Second of normal DPS.

So a 360sec fight will be decreased by 9 - 18 Seconds by a STR Tank. These are 3,6 - 7,2 GCDs....
So if the data in another topic is accurate it is just saying: STR is still not worth. 9 - 18 Seconds faster per Bossfight will make it up to 1min in a normal Dungeon.

Either the theocrafting I found int this forum was wrong or STR is really not so much better then some people here are talking about.

Well I think I will use STR for leveling, fating or if I am really well with the group. Not to help the group DPS but to see bigger numbers on my PLD.

[Freyyy]

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That's bullshit man. If you only got 10% more damage by switching to STR gear you did something wrong. The difference is way higher. And just for the fun test, Tuesday with my static's tank mate we did A1S in full VIT and full tank stance 100% of the time and no healer DPS at all. We were unable to kill the boss before the 3rd jump and we even got to the 4th tank buster, where with STR tanks and DPS stances we kill them before the 3rd jump. That's quite a big difference.

[Lantia]

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So it is bullshit? Well excuse me but I know which numbers were visible thank you.
Extra for you I will search for the post with the DPS increasement by STR Tanks and the overview of all tank classes and the gain of group DPS.

[karateorangutang]

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What level and class were you swapping STR acc's on? Out of curiosity.

[Sleigh]

So a 360sec fight will be decreased by 9 - 18 Seconds by a STR Tank. These are 3,6 - 7,2 GCDs....
So if the data in another topic is accurate it is just saying: STR is still not worth. 9 - 18 Seconds faster per Bossfight will make it up to 1min in a normal Dungeon.

Either the theocrafting I found int this forum was wrong or STR is really not so much better then some people here are talking about.

Well I think I will use STR for leveling, fating or if I am really well with the group. Not to help the group DPS but to see bigger numbers on my PLD.

Do you realize that 10s+ off a clear time is huge in raiding? It sounds like it's just 10s from an outside perspective, but that's the difference between meeting an enrage or DPS check or pushing phases brother.

[Freyyy]

Increasing the party DPS by 200 is huge, especially when you're doing it with a non-DPS job. It makes a big difference. And I don't think 200 DPS is 10% of your damage. Now imagine if the two tanks in an 8-man party are doing that, and add that the healers might also do it. That's huge and it helps a lot meeting hard DPS checks. Even with the best DPS players in the world.

[JackFross]

His "10%" number is coming from looking at flat damage amounts, probably, fyi. When I was messing around with VIT crap, I put 3 VIT accessories on and my RoH in Sword Oath dropped from ~1000 to ~900 damage. This adds up to a huge drop in dps in the long run, but it looks like it's "just 10%" by looking at that one number.

Agreeing that a strength paladin can add 200 dps and in the same breath saying that it's 10% is absolutely silly since 200 is 10% of 2000. Ain't no way your tank dps is 2000, bro. It's a 20% loss if you're doing 1000 with full strength and 200 is an accurate number (which, in my experience, it's actually an underestimation). I'll run actual full tests on it later today, running full STR v full VIT and see just how big of a difference we're looking at.

I'm guessing it'll be WAY more than 200, since comparing numbers I put up to other tanks sees me generally at 600-700 v their 300-400 in Alexander normal - them with VIT, me with STR. Some of that is skill and tank stances, sure, but a lot of that is due to their accessories.

[karateorangutang]

His "10%" number is coming from looking at flat damage amounts, probably, fyi. When I was messing around with VIT crap, I put 3 VIT accessories on and my RoH in Sword Oath dropped from ~1000 to ~900 damage. This adds up to a huge drop in dps in the long run, but it looks like it's "just 10%" by looking at that one number.

Agreeing that a strength paladin can add 200 dps and in the same breath saying that it's 10% is absolutely silly since 200 is 10% of 2000. Ain't no way your tank dps is 2000, bro. It's a 20% loss if you're doing 1000 with full strength and 200 is an accurate number (which, in my experience, it's actually an underestimation). I'll run actual full tests on it later today, running full STR v full VIT and see just how big of a difference we're looking at.

Would love to see the actual numbers. Would you post them in here?

[JackFross]

Would love to see the actual numbers. Would you post them in here?

That's my plan. I'll be doing so once I have a free chance to later today. C: