Tanks, please use strength gear.. :(

[CGMidlander]

Maybe instead of this #gitgud bullshit, we can start #gitpolite trending, and tanks can once again start working WITH their healers, considering the fact that our lives are LITERALLY in their hands.

Everything is rainbows and unicorns. Nothing is ever wrong and nobody should ever improve, even if they are objectively under-performing.
Effort stickers for all! (Even if the problem was likely a lack of effort!)

Get real.
If a person is having trouble healing a dungeon and they don't have a real life disability or bad internet, then they aren't trying and really should gitgud.

Level-relevant gear is plentiful and cheap, thanks to quests. The difficulty curve for dungeons from start to endgame is extremely gentle. (If not practically flat)

Rofl why are you so angry my facts are true with i190+ and str acc you have as much hp as when We first did those dungeon.

The same, if not more.
A tank in typical endgame gear atm + full str accessories has more hp than a tank in full library gear + full vit accessories
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/RKE2

[Sandamar]

If you cant keep a ilvl190+ with str acc tank alive during expert i would highly suggest the healer to get good.
Seriously the hp you have at this level with full str acc was the hp We had when We were arround ilvl 160 ish and the dungeon were already easy

Nothing more to add really.

[Seshayn]

Thank you Spooky, for putting so much thought into your response. I understand very well the points you have laid out, and those things all factor into how I choose to pull, what my rotation is, what gear I wear, what cooldowns I cycle, so many things. I just don't have faith that very many other tanks show the same level of foresight, and just assume that whatever they choose to do is fine because they did it before and people should just "gitgud".

I am actually curious though, what the difference is in terms of flat damage amounts from a str warrior going balls out on packs of mobs, vs the same packs with vit gear/stats. I just really want all the math. I loved EJ for its tank math back in the wow days. I just thought that you might perhaps have the raw numbers from personal tests you may have done.

Thank you for taking the time to give me such a good response. I wish more warriors I encountered were like you.

[SpookyGhost]

I actually play on PS4, so I can't provide raw parse numbers as the only time I ask for those is during raiding. I also never use VIT accessories for dungeons, so I've no idea what my damage is like with those. I'd be interested to know the numbers as well, but not enough to go out and test myself. : - P

[Sandamar]

Rofl why are you so angry my facts are true with i190+ and str acc you have as much hp as when We first did those dungeon.
Did We struggled that much for the first dungeon? Clearly no so yeah a healer that cant keep you alive on expert dungeon needs to get good that´s it.

Stop being so agressive there is no elitism behind it. We are just talking about expert dungeon.

I am personnally using a mix of pentameld and i210 slaying and never had any issue.

[Sandamar]

Rofl why are you so angry my facts are true with i190+ and str acc you have as much hp as when We first did those dungeon.
Did We struggled that much for the first dungeon? Clearly no so yeah a healer that cant keep you alive on expert dungeon needs to get good that´s it.

Stop being so agressive there is no elitism behind it. We are just talking about expert dungeon.

I am personnally using a mix of pentameld and i210 slaying and never had any issue.

[Sekundessounet]

Got to agree on some points, people have the right to be new and not feeling comfortable with their toolkit. Because when they reach 60, it'll be the first time for them where people won't always be overgeared and easy to heal. If you see it's your healer's first time, act like you're having a first timing healer. Doesn't matter if you're full STR or VIT (even if VIT can make things more comfortable), the point is, allow them to learn, give them advice and the instance will take like 5 minutes more, instead of half an hour if you rush like hell.
Or get out of the instance and try again in the DF (you're a tank, you tag quickly), or find a healer you trust.

[nyttyn]

With a primary reason being they can find very little time to incorporate anything other than constant cast healing into their rotation, and the fact that it is just expected of them to tolerate it.

those healers seriously need to get good then

divine seal, synastry, fairy being fairy, simply using cure II or Benefic II instead of cure 1/benefic1 spam, dungeons are so trivial in incoming damage input that my fairy can literally do the healing a lot of the time on my scholar.

i mean no offense but the only differenece between a str tank and a vit tank insofar as damage is concerned is the later can survive longer without being healed. That does not mean they take more damage, and Regen / Aspected Benefic / Fairy will still overwhelmingly handle a huge portion of required healing with proper CD use, and even WITHOUT cd use you wont have to dip out of cleric stance that often even with a str tank.

[Galgarion]

melded accessories for the win, in my opinion. Why would a tank ever want more than around 850-900 strength if he's just doing casual content? It's like training in mma to beat up a fifth grader.

[Eye_Gore]

melded accessories for the win, in my opinion. Why would a tank ever want more than around 850-900 strength if he's just doing casual content? It's like training in mma to beat up a fifth grader.

Why does a car need 600HP when 85HP will also get me from A to B? More Power!!!!!!