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    Seryl199's Avatar
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    Delferia Seule
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    You're advocating for the wrong kind of player to be rocking str accessories. Bad tanks have no need for str accessories, they aren't at a level of play that encourages deviation from the norm. If a tank is making multiple mistakes, I'd much rather them have a bigger cushion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Vitality does not increase your survivability, it increases your "own" chance to make mistakes. Its a very "SELFISH" stat.
    In this sense, vit does increase your survivability, as a tank that isn't confident in their abilities or knows they make mistakes can stack vit to give the healer a cushion. Stacking str will only reduce their margin for error, which, according to you,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Vitality tanks are lazy and usually go through threat rotations more because they have to to even hold aggro. They usually make mistakes, a lot of them and seem afkish and yell at you when they pull 3-4 rooms and it takes 2 minutes to kill then whine when they die.
    error is an all too common occurrence as a vit tank. You should let tanks make mistakes when it is most lenient on them, when they have more HP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    Vitality is pretty much "Training Wheels", once you know how to ride your bike (tank good) take them off. All your doing is making the healer's job harder for no reason.
    Once they've become comfortable in their role, they can start experimenting how they want. Training wheels are to keep you steady because you're bad or aren't confident, then you learn the basics and try going without.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I don't want Padding or "Training Wheels" I want a tank who doesn't lose aggro to me or the dps and actually contributes more to the fight then a damage sponge.
    Then don't pug? If they don't know how to ride without training wheels (tank good) why would they try it without? It's up to you to find like minded players if a tank wearing vitality accessories sends you in a tizzy. Your PSA doesn't reach the intended audience at all since,

    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    as a suggestion to new players
    they probably don't know what they're doing, and do indeed benefit from the added cushion, and experienced players that can wear whatever they want are already doing so.
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seryl199 View Post
    Logic.
    People don't learn very well when they have a cushion protecting their fall. They usually think its fun and make sure to land on that cushion again more often, even bounce on it.

    By cutting the habit early you make better tanks over all because they don't have that safety to rely on, they now have to try their hardest and best to win. Which means better Tanks for everyone.
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    Senliten Solstice
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    People don't learn very well when they have a cushion protecting their fall. They usually think its fun and make sure to land on that cushion again more often, even bounce on it.

    By cutting the habit early you make better tanks over all because they don't have that safety to rely on, they now have to try their hardest and best to win. Which means better Tanks for everyone.
    A tank dead on the ground can't learn if they can't find out just what the hell hit them so hard, hence the cushioning to learn then make the swap to str when a player is confident in their abilities. Also... i157 and still have issues healing? How bout learning to play your class or just stop trolling and gtfo back to gw2 if you want everyone to just dps.
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    Seshayn Anea
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    #gitvit
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    Yomi Erebus
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    This topic makes me think it is only a matter of time before a issue comes up where a tank that needs on fending accessory is insulted or a tank demands that they receive the slaying accessory that drops. But you cant force people to use what you want them to use especially if that item is gated behind something such as a cap or weekly reset. Unless you are willing to tell me that you would buy those accessories for the tank given the option.
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    Ivar Lyfjaberg
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    i hope you guys are right about stacking on strength cause my paladin is going to pick the mythrite earrings of slaying rather then fending!
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    Daiki Sejuro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Senliten View Post
    A tank dead on the ground can't learn if they can't find out just what the hell hit them so hard, hence the cushioning to learn then make the swap to str when a player is confident in their abilities. Also... i157 and still have issues healing? How bout learning to play your class or just stop trolling and gtfo back to gw2 if you want everyone to just dps.
    Someone gets it lmao finally...

    doing leveling roulette que up stone vigil blah but what ev, my tank has 1500 hp the DRG has 2100....>_> oh man I felt bad for the healer oh wait that was me lol the only thing that saved that tank is that I was over geared obviously, and that DRG tanked most of the time but I was healing like I was in A2s haha so str accs are awesome but more so for 50+, new tanks stick with fending and learn a proper cool down rotation first
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    Last edited by Aomine1992; 09-08-2015 at 03:43 PM.

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    Ena Chleo
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    The way I see it as a Sch who loves to dps

    Lots of Vit = More time in cleric

    Lots of Str = Less time in cleric, but tank is doing more damage because of it.

    So long as the tank has some good left side pieces, knows their stuff, and the healer isn't a monkey, it's fine. Every group I get in a dungeon I size up the situation in the first pull or two and go from there. A dead tank because they overextended is a slower run.
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    Kyle Drew
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    Omega
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    Scholar Lv 70
    Str accessories have their place. Mainly with groups that you know and trust. If you're pugging that prob isn't the best place for str accessories as you don't know what they are capable of and neither do they of you. Shaving off a couple minutes using str gear but having to take smaller pulls because you keep dying or taking bigger pulls with mor wealth but take a little longer to kill. It's for the players involved to decide. Not some random kid on a forum post.
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    Max Awesome
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    Faerie
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    Lancer Lv 57
    Yeah, before you come down on tanks, what about the healers who aren't doing damage, but also aren't healing me? They're just not casting anything at all. Why wouldn't I only be using vit gear?

    With healers that I know and trust, I'll be using str gear, balanced to the fight and what I can take without being too much for them to heal, but in a pug, I'm gearing and playing like a tank, and my deliverance button doesn't even exist.

    Also, if anything is dying too slow, the damage dealers in your groups need work. Avoiding damage and following mechanics ofc are their top priority, but you have to be able to do these things while also putting out damage and getting things killed, especially with all the dps races in the game.
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