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    Player
    Leonus's Avatar
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    Kenrir Amnis
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    Sargatanas
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    If it makes main tanks feel better, I don't particularly care if the tank puts out huge numbers. I just want tanks and healers (combined) to put out to put out "enough" to make the difference in new raids (dps aRe only going to be ablessed to preform so well unail theh get bether gear).

    Let's be real, the hard part of raids isn't usually just the mechanics, since you know when they are coming. It's maintaining a constant level of (raid) dps output over an 8-12 minute fight while adhering to mechanics. Easiest time tanks/healers have to contribute to dps is in the first few minutes if the raid. After that, it's on the dps to keep pushing as hard as they can.
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    Last edited by Leonus; 09-03-2015 at 12:04 AM.

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    Divine Intervention
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    Arcanist Lv 61
    Not everyone wants to play how you want them. Some tanks aren't comfortable switching stances, others simply like having the vit gear to make life easier on their healer.
    Ultimately any extra dps from a tank is just that, extra and optional. Helpful.. yeah, mandatory.. hell no.

    --edit-- add in that some tanks are just starting their expert runs/gearing up, and are hugely outgeared by dps there.. a whole lot of keep the fuck up with aggro. you lose it once, ya ain't gettin it back kinda thing.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention View Post
    --edit-- add in that some tanks are just starting their expert runs/gearing up, and are hugely outgeared by dps there.. a whole lot of keep the fuck up with aggro. you lose it once, ya ain't gettin it back kinda thing.
    Being outgeared by the DPS is even more reason to go with STR instead of VIT because more damage means also more threat. And by more I mean a LOT more since it works with a multiplier.
    And extra DPS from a tank is mandatory for end-game raids. For other content of course not, but believe it or not, it will always help more than extra tankiness.
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    Last edited by Freyyy; 09-03-2015 at 12:34 AM.

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    Mitsurugi Heishiro
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    Gilgamesh
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    Haven't seen a serious reason to drop vit at the moment, having lazy healers just afking while i tank shit, only to wake up as i hit the living dead button. Ill stop wearing vit gear when healers start to heal.
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    Divine Intervention
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    That's your opinion, there are many others. Not everyone has to agree with you.
    And in raids, if the raid being made or broken on whether your tank can dps well is an issue, i'd say you have issues other than what your tank is wearing.

    Roulettes - Sure, strength will help keep aggro ahead of the dps, however, it's also more pressure on the healer who is usually(usually, not always), lazy, incompetent or both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Divine_Intervention View Post
    And in raids, if the raid being made or broken on whether your tank can dps well is an issue, i'd say you have issues other than what your tank is wearing.
    You've never been into savage do you ? DPS checks there require tanks and healers to deal high damage just to meet the enrage timer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyyy View Post
    You've never been into savage do you ? DPS checks there require tanks and healers to deal high damage just to meet the enrage timer.
    I wondered how long it would be before someone used that. No, i haven't been into alexander savage yet, however i have been into all the other savage modes pre nerfs, on all of the classes i have available. I know how an enrage timer works.
    Once again, i say: If your raid is failing because your tank isn't putting out an extra * amount of damage, the issue isn't just your tank.

    *sigh*. Does my nut in when people throw that crap around.
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    Silver Tiger
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    wear 1 vit gear if pld if war dark wear 2 vit gears, despite superior war dark dps lack of survivability without healer is noted.
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    Kuma Sensei
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    Brynhildr
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    Marauder Lv 63
    Alrighty, I'm going to ask the stupid question here. Why is it so damned necessary to choose one extreme or the other? I find going all STR can leave me a bit squishy sometimes, and going all VIT can leave me underpowered. That's why I run a hybrid build. I currently use 3 STR / 2 VIT accessories for my WAR and it does wonders. I do monster damage, which keeps hate, and I have nearly 20k HP, which keeps me alive longer. I find that with this setup, my stances affect me far more than my stats. When we get higher iLvl crafted accessories, then I will likely return to penta melded accessories for them.

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    Nel Synestra
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    Moogle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kumabear76 View Post
    That's why I run a hybrid build.
    Aye im also rolling with Hybrids most of the time, tho i still have full STR and full VIT gearsets for diffirent fights(faust solo-tank is full vit so is A2S for example).
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