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  1. #1
    Player
    Asierid's Avatar
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    Saerin Zei
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    Marauder Lv 60
    I still want to meet these magical healers that can out dps an equally geared WAR (I'll even throw DRK in there) in dps stance on a boss to make the dungeon "faster".

    Sorry. Cleric stancing it with a VIT tank isn't beating a str geared/dps stance tank. Thus, fights are faster with me in my str gear. (Leave PLD out of this, they got shafted in the dps department.)

    Trash, sure. Go vit. Trash dies quick anyway, provided your dps are not derps.
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    Alahra's Avatar
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    Alahra Valkhir
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    Balmung
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    Reaper Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Asierid View Post
    I still want to meet these magical healers that can out dps an equally geared WAR (I'll even throw DRK in there) in dps stance on a boss to make the dungeon "faster".
    Tanks have much better reasons to use STR accessories on bosses, yes, as healer single target damage is less significant than their AoE damage. Incoming damage in most dungeon boss fights is also often lower and more manageable than most trash pulls since the expectation is to pull 2 to 3 groups at once, honestly, so healer DPS isn't lost as much on bosses when healing a STR tank. The higher margin of error still exists, though (especially since dungeon boss tank busters aren't usually as telegraphed as raid boss ones are, making cooldown timing a bit trickier).

    This highlights, as usual, the need for STR and VIT to be situational and for tanks to be willing to adjust as situation dictates, understanding the value of both and when they are most valuable in their respective situations.
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    Ingrid Krimhilde
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Well... healers have two main stat too. Spirit and Piety. They are both support class so it's normal that they shoudl'nt focus on one stat only.

    Btw you are right about parry, but in every mmo i played, this stat always was pityfull.
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    Freyja Redgold
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mclyde View Post
    Well... healers have two main stat too. Spirit and Piety. They are both support class so it's normal that they shoudl'nt focus on one stat only.

    Btw you are right about parry, but in every mmo i played, this stat always was pityfull.
    Spirit ? I guess you mean mind. Yeah PIE is a main stat in the character's profile, but on gear it's treated as a secondary stat. You get piety on some items as a bonus, and you get both of them at the same time on your healer jewelry just as you would get some det or SS as well. PIE is not really a main stat, it's just listed as one. It has nothing to compare with STR for tanks.
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    Rap Breon
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    I'm personally jealous that tanks actually have choice in the way they gear. The astonishing lack of gear choices in this game is one of its problems in my view (or even the illusion of said choice - within a reasonable degree).

    As a person who typically cares very little of what others think of him, I'd take the slightly higher aggro levels for more choice.
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    For me Str is the main stat for Tank aswell as Spirit is for healer. Vit & Pie are two secondaries.
    I don't see the problem. I'm looking for str gear for my tanks and adjust my vit with my leveling stat points, you know, just to not be oneshoted by some big boss skill. Same for my healer with Spirit and piety. I adjust my piety to be able to dps&heal without asking for break to recover my mana after each encounters, i'm not looking for having the more piety as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mclyde View Post
    For me Str is the main stat for Tank aswell as Spirit is for healer. Vit & Pie are two secondaries.
    You're bullshitting yourself in that case. STR and VIT are both main stats for tanks and we have to make sacrifices to get both of them in order to have enough VIT to survive big hits and rest in STR to get more DPS, because they are both real main stats. PIE is on your MND jewelry like det and SS, it's completely different. It would be comparable if you could find STR on VIT jewelry instead of det, crit, SS or parry.
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    Mim Silmaril
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    Phoenix
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Mclyde View Post
    For me Str is the main stat for Tank aswell as Spirit is for healer. Vit & Pie are two secondaries.
    I don't see the problem. I'm looking for str gear for my tanks and adjust my vit with my leveling stat points, you know, just to not be oneshoted by some big boss skill. Same for my healer with Spirit and piety.
    Yeah, right. There's just one difference: You can't trade MND with PIE at all, because there are no pieces with PIE as main attribute.

    You might use an item of lower iLvl (sacrificing MND for PIE-stat, if it's not on the higher ilvl piece). But that's a complete different affair, you're trading 3 MND against 30+ PIE or something like that.
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    Last edited by Neophyte; 09-03-2015 at 12:40 AM.

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    Sujin Takaheshi
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    Odin
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    Warrior Lv 60
    I'd love if they made it like ffxi were u could swap your gearsets in fights. It was a great part of the gameplay there.
    Wouldnt make that much sense for other jobs than tanks, because secondarys dont make that much difference as they did in ffxi (like haste or mab), but still, would be cool
    Always loves to swap from tp/refresh gear, to ws/nuke gear. Or having a pld set for hp down > hp up, to get a shitload of enmity with cure 3/4 spaming.
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    Saerin Zei
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    Gilgamesh
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    Marauder Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Serba View Post
    I'd love if they made it like ffxi were u could swap your gearsets in fights. It was a great part of the gameplay there.
    If by great you mean redundant and clunky.

    Give the player more options in customizing their character/sub stats. Tanks already have this choice (abiet, small) where other jobs in this game do not. It already doesn't effect much outside of progression for a tank to stack STR/Det/Crit, at least give us different sets with different substats that we can play around with. Give stupid little set bonuses like crit/det procs or something.

    Having to play Starcraft to swap gearsets in an MMO just to be effective during a fight is not fun, nor does it flow well, especially when XIVs combat is way faster when compared to XI.
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