Idea: Split Archer into Bard and Ranger

[rappa]

Ranger will have the same stigma as bard. Be a ranged physical class.

The point is balance. If you introduce a job like bard 2.0 without the nerf in WD, what is the reason to bring a melee job who has to do positionals, avoid aoe and unable to attack the boss? Now Melee jobs as Nin and DRG have "support" abilities.

A ranged class has more mobility and i don't see bards have any problem on this. I accept you don't like bard now but don't be selfish and try to change a new useful mechanic to let bards do the same damage than others dps. Adapt or move on.

[Shirobi]

A ranged class has more mobility and i don't see bards have any problem on this.

Wanderer's Minuet says "Hi2u"

[Zentsa]

Wanderer's Minuet says "Hi2u"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsBX1Yq7lQA
Dont have any Problem with WM.

[Umbreon_skystorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wsBX1Yq7lQA
Dont have any Problem with WM.

[Jonnycbad]

The concept of Thief and Ranger technically exist apart from Ninja and Bard. Look at the Moogles in the King Moggle Mog trial, there is a Bard AND a Ranger (there's also a dedicated Thief which uses a single dagger).

[DestinovaTrueblade]

What exactly would a Thief bring that's not already covered by Rogue/Ninja?

[Noelzzz]

What exactly would a Thief bring that's not already covered by Rogue/Ninja?

Would bring a different way to play the rogue class. First of all no mudra system, this permits to enjoy the archetype to all not only jap or awsome connections. It is an iconic job (i see Thief more iconic than ninja actually) and i dont see why shouldnt be in thisgame when even the lore confirms there are thief. The iconic steal could be used to buff yourself or debuff enemies and stealth as a buff that let you use certain skills, for example:

Stealspeed: would works like heavy trust for DRG, gives 15% att speed bonus and rear bonus damage

Cloak and dagger: you gain the effect of vanish for 10 seconds. (it lets you use Sneak or trick attack and other jobs skills)

Evisceration: Rear bonus 260 usable only under the effect of vanish

Steal-TP: Steal 20% of missing tp

Shadow step: Teleport right behind target and stun

i could actually continue and write other 5 skills but i'll stop for now. I'm pretty sure that adding thief would make happy many FF fans

[RiceisNice]

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So now you're basically pre 3.0 slapping DRG skills with ROG animations. You're still going to do the same 1-2-3 combo, maintain the same DoTs and debuffs, except now you've also introduced lancer mechanics (using buffs pre-skill and maintaining a buff through a skill, as well as a reliable cap closer) and making the two classes closer than before.

People still debating WM and how it doesn't root you

It's not the mobility issue, at least I hope that's not what the OP is targeting.

[Noelzzz]

So now you're basically pre 3.0 slapping DRG skills with ROG animations. You're still going to do the same 1-2-3 combo, maintain the same DoTs and debuffs, except now you've also introduced lancer mechanics (using buffs pre-skill and maintaining a buff through a skill, as well as a reliable cap closer) and making the two classes closer than before.

Lol. Just lol. You said that rogue and lancer were totally different and now you are saying that are pretty similar. Every melee DPS in this game will have the 123 combo with 2 dots and a self buff. deal with that

[DestinovaTrueblade]

yea, people act like 1.5 second cast time root you to the ground for some reason.