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  1. #461
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    Khazad's Avatar
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    Khazad Angmarin
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    Scholar Lv 60
    Today I let a ninja die and it was great ... I think never will again waste Heals in a dps that do not evade the aoe
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  3. #462
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    Khazad Angmarin
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keramory View Post
    I admit I have a shameful habit of letting tanks die because I often like to see how close to 1HP I can get them before healing them.

    Been playing since 1.0...I need excitement. This is how I obtain it. Murder. Murdering the tanks for my experiments.
    A new goal in my healer life
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  4. #463
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    Nekotee's Avatar
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Moogle
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Khazad View Post
    Today I let a ninja die and it was great ... I think never will again waste Heals in a dps that do not evade the aoe
    Dps are worthy of a regen skill if ast or whm
    Fairy if sch

    Nothing more
    My 15% mana allocated for healing are for the tank and unavoidable aoe damage no more
    I won't burn my dps mana for a slacky dps !

    The mantra of all healer
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  5. #464
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    FinaSel's Avatar
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    Fina Sela'dor
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    Ninja Lv 70
    I used to have a similar mindset. "If DPS are getting hit by avoidable attacks, I don't need to prioritize healing them. Just keep them alive."

    However, now I am playing Ninja a lot and I changed my mind.

    Sometimes DPS take damage when a tank turns a mob that has a cleave attack.
    I was using Blood for Blood at a boss fight. Tank was turning the boss and I was hit by a cleave.
    Another time, tank didn't get enough hate on adds, but I am attacking adds so they don't go after the healer.
    With Blood for Blood active, DPS can take a lot of damage.

    Just today and yesterday I had healers who let my HP stay at less than 10% until the fight was over. They made no attempt to heal.
    DPSing as a healer is great, but keeping people alive is a priority.

    Sometimes "avoidable" damage is very difficult to avoid. AoE telegraphs are generally easy, but a cleave and adds can be hard to manage if a tank isn't handling them correctly.
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  6. #465
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    Nekotee's Avatar
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Still disagree

    Cleave are less avoidable i agree but if the mistake come from the tank then the dps will get a heal because he wasn't in fault
    If your tanking to protect the healer ok you will get healed and maybe not the bad tank
    BUT they to be nice, if you're taking damage DONOT use BfB... I mean do not try to die faster ! It will piss off healer most of the time

    As far as i see it you stayed alive with 10% hp
    You did NOT died
    So the healer did his job
    You stayed alive

    Keeping someone alive is not spamming heal it's preventing hp to reach 0 so if you were at 10% or less it's still not 0
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  7. #466
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    MaxineNoir's Avatar
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    Maxi Aethre
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    Lamia
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    White Mage Lv 60
    White mage is my main class and i ran palace of the dead a lot, usually being paired with a scholar. when i first started doing scholar myself i Forgot that the fairy was mine and got mad at it for being a better healer than me.
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  8. #467
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    FinaSel's Avatar
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    Fina Sela'dor
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    Ninja Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Nekotee View Post
    BUT they to be nice, if you're taking damage DONOT use BfB... I mean do not try to die faster ! It will piss off healer most of the time

    As far as i see it you stayed alive with 10% hp
    You did NOT died
    So the healer did his job
    You stayed alive
    The problem with BfB is that it lasts relatively long. Meaning a lot can happen during that time. Adds can spawn, bosses can be turned and cleave you. A tank can lose hate on a mob.


    The only reason I stayed alive with 10% HP is because I kept my distance from the boss as much as possible so I wouldn't get hit by another cleave if the tank turned the boss by accident.
    The only other reason I stayed alive is because we were able to take down the boss quickly enough before it could use another large attack.
    If it had had the time to do another attack on me, I would have died. The healer would have had no chance to heal if I had gotten hit once more.

    Some bosses do unavoidable damage and careless tanks could be the death of a DPS.
    A healer needs to keep DPS at a reasonable HP to prevent these things, because sometimes they cannot be predicted.
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  9. #468
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    Nekotee's Avatar
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    Akihiko Hoshie
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    Astrologian Lv 100
    Hum i see some wrong in there

    If you have a tank that spin a bit too much don't stay in the way and move too might be a dps loss but in case there is whiney just say that the tank was moving a lot when he shouldn't

    You stayed alive by keeping distance Does it mean that you were out of range for your own dps ?
    Then blaming someone for not doing his job when you're not doing yours is... Meeeh

    Not a single cleave is more than 180 so be staying i. The back you shouldn't be hit

    And as i said healing unavoidable aoe is part of any healer rotation
    Like last boss of hullbreaker that Does some explosions
    Most of the time a single aoe healing is enough to cover it
    At most you will lose 40% of you max HP

    All attack can be predicted
    The pattern is always the same whatever the fight
    Th only thing that can happends is... Less attack due to high damage which make phase overlap and boss skill are cancelled and not queue

    ...

    The healer is not there to patch you up 100% of the time when you take unacessary tdamage
    And IF it's the tank fault
    Speak up, say it

    As healer i've let tank die because they are LAZY/messy and make the fight worse
    And I don't regret that
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  10. #469
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    Archvile78's Avatar
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    Xander Vermillion
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    I don't think i could handle letting someone die on purpose, even if they were a bad tank/bad DPS. That said, i remember a long time ago, in a Fractal run, there was a really bad Dragoon. So bad he couldn't properly do the usual rotation, so bad he died almost every 20 seconds to the final boss, i think i had to resurect him like...6 times?

    At one point, i res him and went "could you live for at least 30 seconds" naturally, he died within 15 seconds that time. We beat the boss, with him dead, all i said was "walk it off" instead of res'ing him on the spot and then i left the instance.


    It felt good.
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  11. #470
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    Gabriel Grey
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Reading some of these makes me question whether human decency is still a thing. Lots of petty stuff, but to each their own. That being said....
    I once forgot I was healing in a dungeon....we did not last long. I was so into muh pew pews~
    Sometimes I'll spam the beginning part of the manderville dance instead of dpsing during fights because manderville <3
    I once teabagged a lala that died....and liked it.
    I hard cast resurrection more times than I'd like to admit because I like insta heals :/
    I get salty when I'm in a raid and the other healer tries to blame me for a wipe or says Im lazy (even though I'm doubling his heals per second)...Clearly he forgot healers don't blame each other...
    We blame the lala tank :>
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