Colored gear with specific classes.

[Fensfield]

If I'm reading it correctly (and that's a huge "IF" - thanks, Google translate!), it looks like they're going to be changing it. There were details but I couldn't make enough sense of it to tell what they were. I also think it said it won't happen before 1.20, and it looks like even making that patch is a best-case scenario.

But if I'm reading it correctly, they're going to be changing it. Hurrah.

While that is by the sound of it good news, the bit about 1.20 .. nah I'll wait for an official translation (sorry Reinhart) before getting out my tinfoil hat.

[trinta]

While that is by the sound of it good news, the bit about 1.20 .. nah I'll wait for an official translation (sorry Reinhart) before getting out my tinfoil hat.

Heheh. I tried to throw in enough disclaimers there that nobody would think I was trying to be official, just giving a "what I got from it" summary for people who didn't want to deal with the headache of phrases like, "in some ways of separating the upper and lower "inflated" could specification".

I'm also definitely waiting for the official translation before getting too happy or too sad myself!

[Reinheart]

Copy/Paste from my translation thread on YoshiP's post regarding this one

プロデューサ/ディレクタの吉田です。
Producer/Director Yoshida Here,

ポスト遅くなり失礼しました。また、いつも通りの長文で申し訳ありません。
Sorry for the delay on the post, sorry this post is long as usual.

まずは、今回の新レシピによる、カラーと性能差の仕様について、ご不便をお詫びいたします。
また、皆さんのフィードバックはごもっともと思いますので、
染色と性能差の今後について、対応の方針をお話しさせて頂きます。
First off with this times new recipes color and status different feature I apologize.
Also I believe everyone's feedbacks/comments are understandable therefore I would like to talk about future of coloring and status difference

そもそもFFXIVの根本にある仕様は、少ない装備バリエーションを
素材の色でなんとか性能差をつけ、下位と上位に分離するというある意味「水増し」の仕様でした。
これについては体制変更後に、根本から方針の見直しをして、
For foundation system in FFXIV we wanted to use small amount of equipment variation and add stat difference using material color to separate the lower/higher like water diluted (like water + oil, oil goes up... he's trying to say they used same gear over and over and used colors to set different level dunno English one but JP was like Pink gear R24 vs Rose gear R48ish? lol but that part.)
For this one once the structure is change we plan to change from the foundation.

• 「カラー」は個性を示すもの
  "Color" gives it's uniqueness/individuality
• 「形状」は強さを示すもの
  "Shape" shows the strength

ということで装備データの量産を進めています。
We are producing more equipment data as above.

ただし、現状まだこの方針にデータの準備が追いつけていない状態で、
そのために、元の思想が微妙に残り、混ざってしまったのが今回の原因です。
However currently the data preparation have not reached this goal yet,
therefore the original idea stayed and got mixed this time.

事前に仕様をお知らせをさせて頂いたにせよ、
最終GOサインを出したのは吉田ですので、仕様設計ミスの原因は吉田にあります。
申し訳ありません。
（ちなみに、また特定開発担当を匂わせる書き込みが散見されますが、
根拠もないですし、事実、担当者も違います。本当にそれだけはご理解ください）
Although we have mentioned this feature ahead of time, at the end I was the one that gave the final GO sign therefore the miss on feature structure is my fault.
I am sorry.
(also, there has been posts about certain staff member but there is no proof to back it up and in reality the person in charge is different. Please understand that)

皆さんのフィードバックを頂き、仕様を調整していこうと思っていますが、
一旦前提にある下記をご確認ください。
We will make adjustments as we hear everyone's feedbacks but please check the current idea below.

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これまで染色について、吉田が具体的に明言するのを避けてきたのは、
カラーバリエーションを作る仕様が、現状の場合単純に「テクスチャ差し替え」で行われていたからです。
別のスレッドでポストした際にも簡単に触れていますが、吉田はやっぱり24色とか32色とか、
どの装備アイテムにでも、好みの色をつけてコーディネートしたいと思っています。
全身を真っ赤に染めたい人、真っ黒に染めたい人、部位ごとにカラーを変えてオシャレしたい人。
根本的なその欲求に対応するつもりです。
The reason I have been avoiding regarding the coloring until now is because the current system was using texture swapping to make the color variations.
I have posted in another thread but I would like 24 colors or 32 colors, be able to color any gear to any color and coordinate.
There are those that wants to make full on Red gear, Black gear, change color on each parts, we will be working on it so this can be done.

ただし、そのためにテクスチャでひたすら色を作って行くのは、PS3版にとっても低スペックPCにとっても、
自分たちの首を絞めることになってしまうため、そもそものアイテムデータに手を入れようとしています。
However, in order to do that by making more colors using texture for PS3 or low spec PC it will just strangle our neck, so we have to make adjustments to the actual item data.

ちょっと技術的ですが、マテリアルカラーを変更することで色替えに対応し、
染色とメモリを切り離してしまうことで、これを実現します。つい先日、検証含め確認できました。
よって、いずれこの準備ができた段階で「装備は好きな色に染められる」ようになります。
完成品+染料というレシピで、何度でも自由にカラーバリエーションを作ることが可能になります。
It's bit technical but we will make it so we can apply material color and separating the color and memory to make this possible. Just other day we were able to look into this and confirm. Once this feature is ready you will be able to to color the gear to any color you want to dye. This will make it possible where you can use Finished product + dye recipe to change the color variations freely.
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それが結果的に現状の状況になってしまったのは、
And reason why it became like current situation.

• 現状の各装備アイテムに用意されたカラーバリエーションの種類はマチマチ/バラバラ
  currently the color variations set for each gear item is all different.
• テクスチャで用意されているためこれ以上増やせない
  It's prepared as texture so can't add any more
• 色違いのアイテムはデータ内部的には別アイテム扱いのため追加が厳しい
  For each color change it adds a separate item data therefore it's hard to add
• いずれ装備の性能と染色は切り離して再実装する（この際にカラーID化してデータを楽にします）
  Will make it so the gear stat and coloring will be separated and re-released (In this case make color to color ID and make it easier for the data)
• 類似レシピからクラフターが意図的に性能差のあるアイテムを作れるようにしたい
  Would like to make it so the crafters can producer items with different stats from similar recipe.

なんとかマチマチ/バラバラでも存在している色違いアイテムを活用したかったのと、
クラフターの性能違いアイテムの製作を結び付けてしまったのがミスでした。
もう少し時間をかけて対応すればよかったと反省しています。
Wanted to somehow use the different color items and it was a miss to include crafters to craft items with different stats.
I regret and should of put more time into this.

これを修正する方法は二つあります。
In order to fix this there are two methods

1. 完成品+染色のレシピを追加し実装されている色数分のアイテムを追加する
   Add finished product + dye recipe and add items for same amount of colors available.
   • ⇒暫定の力技対応ですが、根本的に「カラー」と「性能」がはっきり分離されます
     Would require a lot of work temporarily but it will differentiate the color and status.
   • ⇒懸念点はアイテム追加数が膨大になり作業時間がかかってしまうことです
     For part we're worried is that this is taking a large amount of time to add numbers of items.
2. カラーID対応ができるまで色違い装備のクラス制限を「推奨」に変更する
   Until color ID can be worked on making different color gear class restrictions to "optimal"
   • ⇒アイテム数が肥大化することはないので対応は早めに可能です
     Doesn't mean the amount of item will largely increase so it is possible to work on this quickly
   • ⇒カラーをチョイスするために｢性能」のチョイスが多少犠牲になる（マテリアで中和は可能ですが）
     Since you're choosing the color it will affect the status (although it can be worked around with materia)

この2案で修正コストを検討中です。
We are looking at the repair costs with above 2 options.

吉田としては、やはり1の案で初期方針通りの対応をしたいのですが、
最速でも1.20までの期間、現状の状態が続いてしまうことになります。
（追加物量との勝負なので、他のコンテンツ追加／レシピ追加とコストを食い合う）
2の案は1.19aには間に合いませんが、その後に早めの対応が可能かもしれません。
（こちらもコスト精査中です）
For myself we want to make it work with the originally planned #1 option but this means current situation will continue till 1.20 timing at the earliest.
(It's fight against actual quantity so the actual cost of new content addition/recipe addition costs gets mixed.)

皆さんには、今しばらくのご辛抱とご不便をおかけしてしまいますが、
できるだけ早急に、コーディネイトの良さを復活させるために努力し、
内容確定し次第、また追ってご連絡致します。
For everyone this will be an inconvenience but we will try hard to make this change as fast as possible and bring back the good feature of coordination.
Once details are confirmed will update and let you know.

引き続きフィードバックをお待ちしています！
Will be waiting for your continuing comments/feedbacks!

Pretty sure people gonna be happy about this one once it's out
I know I am.

[RethDaron]

Ah, good translation Reinheart. Glad it's just a temporary thing.

[Fensfield]

Copy/Paste from my translation thread on YoshiP's post regarding this one


Pretty sure people gonna be happy about this one once it's out
I know I am.

Thank you Reinhart, but there are a fair few sections of your translation I cannot comprehend adequately enough to feel comfortable with, and others I would like to be certain of the official stance on. I hope the community rep's still step in with an official translation and don't feel that now that you've posted this, they won't have to.

Not that I'm saying you shouldn't make these translations so much as warning rep's might happen to read this I'll be miffed it they don't >.>

That said, from what I can understand, I'd have preferred they leave the optimals setup in rather than implementing a partially complete and/or partially broken, and indeed, massively frustrating system.

[glassalice]

Adding my support to this thread! Dye should NOT affect anything except aesthetic. If I want to dress in a certain colour, for pete's sake let me!

[Rowe]

SO basically if you have a canvas robe pink there is a canvas robe pink texture, and if you have a canvas robe blue you have canvas robe blue texture. ** And probably a Canvas Robe (Pink) item in the database and a Canvas Robe (blue) item in the database, but in the future there will be just Canvas Robe and the color will be a field/cell of that database item (I know canvas robe is dated and going away just using it as an example).

What they want is to have a canvas robe texture (uncolored) and then overlay the color. They weren't able to break that out code-wise yet so they put in a half-assed system which we have to suffer through until 1.20.

[RethDaron]

SO basically if you have a canvas robe pink there is a canvas robe pink texture, and if you have a canvas robe blue you have canvas robe blue texture.

What they want is to have a canvas robe texture (uncolored) and then overlay the color. They weren't able to break that out code-wise yet so they put in a half-assed system which we have to suffer through until 1.20.

No one's suffering as long as we know it's coming. I don't mind putting up with it until then.

[Jynx]

Copy/Paste from my translation thread on YoshiP's post regarding this one


Pretty sure people gonna be happy about this one once it's out
I know I am.

Temporary only? Sure I can live with that as long as it's in the tubes for some point in time I'm happy.

[Inaaca]

Great to finally have a proper response on this. Players can finally breathe a sigh of relief, heh.

Sounds promising, and seems like we'll have a lot more color options once it's out. A shame we're stuck with this system in the meantime, but at least we have something to look forward to now, and if it does make it for 1.20 it shouldn't be too far off.