Colored gear with specific classes.

[Kiote]

Better than looking the same as... well, everyone.

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

Your class currently has a specific kind of Armour. You share it will ONE other class. Then you have other unique traits such as weapons and shield and accessories.

Allowing yourself to be any color will only make you more of an individual.

Allowing other to be any color they want will not make your Armour Design any less unique.

You are literally arguing against a non-existent possibility. Free choice of color will not make mages able to wear heavy armour. It will not allow ranger to use shields. You are telling the world you want less options and you believe that will somehow make you more unique. It doesn't make sense.

[Betelgeuzah]

How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all archers of a same rank to wear a Blue Tunic?

Like I said, between classes, not within a class.

How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all Bards to wear the same Bard AF?

The fact is its not.

Does it have to be? Moreover, more important is that it is specific to Bard Job, and no other Job.

Of course I misunderstand you, when you keep changing the subject from general aesthetics to aesthetics within a class to who knows what's next. You keep going in circles because you can't accept the fact that this change makes classes more unique from each other.

It's tiring, to be honest. You have nothing. Nada. Zit. All cards played. These are the facts, you can choose to not like it but it's still the way it is. Bitching about within class uniqueness (which was not even the purpose of the change) does not help you in any shape or form.

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

That would make me look the same as possibly 4 other classes. And that is much worse than looking the same as every other player of my class.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

Your class currently has a specific kind of Armour. You share it will ONE other class. Then you have other unique traits such as weapons and shield and accessories.

Allowing yourself to be any color will only make you more of an individual.

Allowing other to be any color they want will not make your Armour Design any less unique.

You are literally arguing against a non-existent possibility. Free choice of color will not make mages able to wear heavy armour. It will not allow ranger to use shields. You are telling the world you want less options and you believe that will somehow make you more unique. It doesn't make sense.

D: that's how it sounded to me as well. The thing I liked about being able to choose, and still choose, between different colours is that it allowed for different combinations of the same set. This allowed me to look different from another person as I could pick a different pair of shoes or body piece to suit the situation. Colour was never a problem. Now with the soft imposed stats, frankly I don't care and that's nice and everything, but there is a specific piece with a specific stat that will always trump the other.

Such as green robe, red hat (within the same set.) instead of blue robe, blue hat. In no way has the armour set changed but you may look different from another conjurer who favours a different colour and a different head piece.

But if you bestow base stats that favour one 'role' then many are going to look similar to one another and that is hardly unique. And like Kiote said, colour doesn't mean that suddenly mages can wear Gladiator AF. I don't even understand where you even got that from.

We have Materia, different model sets with set stats, and a variety of weapons. Why on earth would you want to restrict individuality within an aesthetic-based dye system to restrict choice even further? O_o;

And did we ever get that list of games with a stat-dye system?

[Jynx]

That would make me look the same as possibly 4 other classes. And that is much worse than looking the same as every other player of my class.

Statistically having 4 colours for 4 classes is the same ammount of people wearing a particular colour as 1 colour per 1 class. Aside the fact that a colour is forced upon you wether you like it or not.

Although obviously popular colours will arise, but is that as much an issue? Personally changing stats with colours is rediculous it makes no sense other than to help typecast people just by looking at them and I don't think we have many issues with that with us seeing our weapons and all....

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Like I said, between classes, not within a class.

How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all Bards to wear the same Bard AF?

The fact is its not.

Does it have to be? Moreover, more important is that it is specific to Bard Job, and no other Job.

Of course I misunderstand you, when you keep changing the subject from general aesthetics to aesthetics within a class to who knows what's next. You keep going in circles because you can't accept the fact that this change makes classes more unique from each other.

It's tiring, to be honest. You have nothing. Nada. Zit. All cards played. These are the facts, you can choose to not like it but it's still the way it is. Bitching about within class uniqueness (which was not even the purpose of the change) does not help you in any shape or form.




That would make me look the same as possibly 4 other classes. And that is much worse than looking the same as every other player of my class.

You keep bringing up class vs class uniqueness when that isn't even what we're talking about right now. You should make your own thread for that, as you're confusing people who are arguing for within-same-class uniqueness. Which is what went missing this patch.

I'm not even going to finish the rest of your post as it's far too frustrating.

The reason we have this disparity between undyed and dyed currently is apparently to give people the option of wearing that specific model even if they aren't the correct level to equip it. It has nothing to do with class uniqueness. The fact that the classes stop being able to equip a piece once it's dyed is ridiculous and confusing and what we'd like answered. However in the meantime we've discovered that dyes give different stats, and that's what we've been talking about for the past few pages.

Then you came in with a different argument which we shouldn't have entertained because now the opinions have twisted frankly you're contradicting yourself. :S Maybe you need your own thread to talk this out.

[Betelgeuzah]

Statistically having 4 colours for 4 classes is the same ammount of people wearing a particular colour as 1 colour per 1 class. Aside the fact that a colour is forced upon you wether you like it or not.

So instead of having class uniqueness, we would have color uniqueness.

Maybe we should give up the class names altogether and just start calling them by Colors.

You keep bringing up class vs class uniqueness when that isn't even what we're talking about right now.

And when that comparison is exactly what this whole change is about, that sure is a problem.

"No, lets not talk about the actual meaning behind the change, otherwise I might actually understand the reasoning behind it. Let me make up something irrelevant instead."

as it's far too frustrating.

"The truth will set you free. But first, its going to piss you off."

[Nakiamiie]

I'd like to add my voice too, colour should be purely aesthetic, not alter stats in any way. Please, devs, make the appropriate roll back changes in 1.19a regarding stats of the coloured pieces of armours. Also, all dyes should apply to all materials.

@Mikita, you signature-picture is really gorgeous.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Statistically having 4 colours for 4 classes is the same ammount of people wearing a particular colour as 1 colour per 1 class. Aside the fact that a colour is forced upon you wether you like it or not.

Although obviously popular colours will arise, but is that as much an issue? Personally changing stats with colours is rediculous it makes no sense other than to help typecast people just by looking at them and I don't think we have many issues with that with us seeing our weapons and all....

Yeeesss. Thank you~. That's much more frank than how I could have put it.


What I would liken this 1 colour nonsense to are Scorpion harnesses. XI armours came in one colour, and it was a popular armour choice resulting in many people wearing it for the stats to look the same as another say, thief, standing next to him.

At least with the aesthetic-dye system technically you're wearing the same piece of armour but the combinations will always have far more variety than XI's. And now with the restrictions it's come to that all over again and in some cases like the Cobalt plate armour, it only comes in red and red is superior to undyed. But only if people use them that way. Personally I'll do my best but I'm not going max myself out based on this pre-determined 'role' people have in mind for a Conjurer.

Anyhow, Jobs are coming, and if you thought that there was no uniqueness in the past, there certainly isn't now. And while you are in the opinion of hating the idea of AF? I am not. Because I think you assume it'll have the best stats forever. I highly doubt it and people will likely mix and match it with different pieces of gear depending on what they want. I'm looking forward to my White Mage gear.

What is the difference, might I ask, of you wondering who is a healer and who is a damage dealer with mages, and then looking at a black mage and a white mage in Full Af? = ^= I mean one you clearly want, and the other you don't. Double standard?

[Betelgeuzah]

What is the difference, might I ask, of you wondering who is a healer and who is a damage dealer with mages, and then looking at a black mage and a white mage in Full Af?

Who wants anyone wondering which class you are currently playing? It should be obvious, and there should be equipment that makes it obvious. There should be an identity to each class.

Having to ask just makes each class pointless. Might as well have only one class which can be made into subclasses such as "Haubergeon guy", "Robe guy", and "Tabard guy".

Color distinguishes classes, and gives them more identity.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

So instead of having class uniqueness, we would have color uniqueness.

Maybe we should give up the class names altogether and just start calling them by Colors.

That's what you just said you wanted. You want to be able to distinguish one class by the next by havine one wear one colour, and the second class to be wearing the other.