Colored gear with specific classes.

[Betelgeuzah]

It then becomes a choice of what you want, +healing (both classes can heal) and +pie/intand such.

With some classes the uniqueness comes from the role you choose to play. Either way, at least now I'll know whether this person I am looking at is a healer or a nuker/enfeebler. When before, there was no way to tell.

Once again, aesthetical uniqueness is there.

Two, Two classes being able to wear 6 different colors of the same gear is not the same as Every class being able to wear all of the gear.

So? That didn't stop people from bitching about lack of class identity. Now the two classes (or roles) are clearly identified, and have unique equipment to support it.

[Kiote]

With some classes the uniqueness comes from the role you choose to play. Either way, at least now I'll know whether this person I am looking at is a healer or a nuker/enfeebler. When before, there was no way to tell.

Once again, aesthetical uniqueness is there.

Um, no because the stats granted by a color are in no way specific to that color. One green robe might offer mind another green robe might offer int. Its different on every item.

[Betelgeuzah]

Um, no because the stats granted by a color are in no way specific to that color. One green robe might offer mind another green robe might offer int. Its different on every item.

Looking at all the robes available, if many colored items of the same category share the same color the stats are also consistent with it.

There's no aesthetic uniqueness to having to wear a specific colour.

Oh yeah, aside from the color. Or are you going to argue that color plays no role in aesthetics next? Although.... you just did. That is... amazing.

You have used up your argument a long time ago, that statement pretty much proves it. You can have your ill-formed opinion, I don't care.

Why would you want to look the same as every other warrior?

Better than looking the same as... well, everyone.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Oh yeah, aside from the color. Or are you going to argue that color plays no role in aesthetics next? Although.... you just did. That is... amazing.

You have used up your argument a long time ago, that statement pretty much proves it. You can have your ill-formed opinion, I don't care.

No you misunderstand him. How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all archers of a same rank to wear a Blue Tunic? It's not. The colour offers an aesthetic, but you forget that if it's lightly impossed because of its stats, then how is it 'unique' for all archers to be wearing the same coloured piece of equipment?

The fact is its not.

The colour of your items used to not care and was just for aesthetic purposes, however now they do. And with the dyes bestowing stats, you may be able to tell what role the mage is playing depending on how he or she is geared, but can you really? As the dyes don't have a purpose that follows logic, it largely depends on the piece of gear itself and who it is made for.

Like you said, a red haub won't resemble a red robe. And a Gladiator cannot wear a robe, and so on and so forth. But that was never the case. They never offered similar stats, and were never offered in a way that they could equally wear the Haub.

When was this ever a problem that now we need a dye system to tell us further what to wear, that restrictions and new models couldn't achieve?

I like a bit of variety, I like the choice as a lancer to wear either scale mail, actons now? and I think there's a shirt in there somewhere I can wear. Each offer different stats, I suppose, but of course one model will always be better. Then what is the point of having other models available? You may as well lock 1 class per armour model.

[Kiote]

Better than looking the same as... well, everyone.

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

Your class currently has a specific kind of Armour. You share it will ONE other class. Then you have other unique traits such as weapons and shield and accessories.

Allowing yourself to be any color will only make you more of an individual.

Allowing other to be any color they want will not make your Armour Design any less unique.

You are literally arguing against a non-existent possibility. Free choice of color will not make mages able to wear heavy armour. It will not allow ranger to use shields. You are telling the world you want less options and you believe that will somehow make you more unique. It doesn't make sense.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

Your class currently has a specific kind of Armour. You share it will ONE other class. Then you have other unique traits such as weapons and shield and accessories.

Allowing yourself to be any color will only make you more of an individual.

Allowing other to be any color they want will not make your Armour Design any less unique.

You are literally arguing against a non-existent possibility. Free choice of color will not make mages able to wear heavy armour. It will not allow ranger to use shields. You are telling the world you want less options and you believe that will somehow make you more unique. It doesn't make sense.

D: that's how it sounded to me as well. The thing I liked about being able to choose, and still choose, between different colours is that it allowed for different combinations of the same set. This allowed me to look different from another person as I could pick a different pair of shoes or body piece to suit the situation. Colour was never a problem. Now with the soft imposed stats, frankly I don't care and that's nice and everything, but there is a specific piece with a specific stat that will always trump the other.

Such as green robe, red hat (within the same set.) instead of blue robe, blue hat. In no way has the armour set changed but you may look different from another conjurer who favours a different colour and a different head piece.

But if you bestow base stats that favour one 'role' then many are going to look similar to one another and that is hardly unique. And like Kiote said, colour doesn't mean that suddenly mages can wear Gladiator AF. I don't even understand where you even got that from.

We have Materia, different model sets with set stats, and a variety of weapons. Why on earth would you want to restrict individuality within an aesthetic-based dye system to restrict choice even further? O_o;

And did we ever get that list of games with a stat-dye system?

[Oscillate_Wildly]

With some classes the uniqueness comes from the role you choose to play. Either way, at least now I'll know whether this person I am looking at is a healer or a nuker/enfeebler. When before, there was no way to tell.

Once again, aesthetical uniqueness is there.

There's no aesthetic uniqueness to having to wear a specific colour.
Why don't you just ask, as everyone else does, for a healer? O:
And you act as though this is going to solve all of your problems, as though everyone is suddenly going to start wearing the piece of armour.
Just determining DD is red, and Tank is Blue isn't uniqueness at all. Especially when every DD is going to resemble the next DD and so on within the same class.

If you want class uniqueness, call for better skills, weapon stances, and purpose. Not a colour scheme.

What I am able to do well as a mage shouldn't depend on the colour of robe I'm wearing or not wearing. It should depend solely on my skills, my choice in weapon, and role I'm asked/want to play.