Colored gear with specific classes.

[Betelgeuzah]

It then becomes a choice of what you want, +healing (both classes can heal) and +pie/intand such.

With some classes the uniqueness comes from the role you choose to play. Either way, at least now I'll know whether this person I am looking at is a healer or a nuker/enfeebler. When before, there was no way to tell.

Once again, aesthetical uniqueness is there.

Two, Two classes being able to wear 6 different colors of the same gear is not the same as Every class being able to wear all of the gear.

So? That didn't stop people from bitching about lack of class identity. Now the two classes (or roles) are clearly identified, and have unique equipment to support it.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

Oh my Gooood you are so ridiculous you're still missing the point.

DYES SHOULD BE FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES ONLY. THAT IS THE POINT OF THIS ARGUMENT. What are you even TALKING about? You're so turned around you're arguing for something that's completely POINTLESS. Of course a red haub won't resemble a red robe.

haubs and robes NEVER RESEMBLED ONE ANOTHER IN THE FIRST PLACE.
Haubs for example never gave huge chunks of MP while simultaneously giving you +INT.

HOWEVER. A red robe and a green robe should resemble one another with their stats as they ARE the same piece of armour, they are just different COLOURS. The stats shouldn't change just because the colour of the item changed. NOT WITHIN THE SAME PIECE OF EQUIPMENT.

THAT'S WHAT MATERIA IS FOR NOW.

[Betelgeuzah]

DYES SHOULD BE FOR AESTHETIC PURPOSES ONLY.

That's just your opinion, while you offer no viable alternatives to create class uniqueness either.

The current dye system creates aesthetical uniqueness between classes. That is the end of it. No caps lock will change that.

[Oscillate_Wildly]

That's just your opinion, while you offer no viable alternatives to create class uniqueness either.

The current dye system creates aesthetical uniqueness between classes. That is the end of it. No caps lock will change that.

I did offer an alternative that involves using catalysts to attach to gear to make the stats change within the same piece of gear. Currently we have for lancers Scale mail, Haubs and shirts. If you don't want to wear a shirt, you can wear a scale mail, problem solved for in-class uniqueness. Except all models of armour give different stats, therefore different models can be used for different situations.

What was so wrong with having various models of armour per class? They could have introduced even more models if that's your view.
Why on top of it further reduce uniqueness by tying direct stats to the colours? I don't think you know what you want and leap at any chance to accept something that makes a Marauder over an Archer unique.

That's great and all, but if the stats are great for one piece, in one colour, wouldn't all archers therefore pick that one piece? I don't see how that's very unique.

This argument is ridiculous~~~.

So when AF armour comes out are you going to kick and scream because all Gladiators look the same? O: Because I won't.

I kinda see what your deal is though. You find it weird that two classes can wear the same piece of armour. Well that hasn't changed, and by giving each a slew of colours connected to stats you think that's good, because it determines that now Red = Archer, and that Blue = Pugilist.

Completely ignoring user's desire for customization.

However, if they're both DD and want the gear that has +DD stats, they're still going to pick the same thing regardless of their class.
The past dye system allowed for class uniqueness by allowing people to wear whatever the hell colour they wanted by not restricting anything. Now you have specifically hued pieces of equipment that despite what you may want to believe, THM can heal just as well as conjurer, so both may as well pick green if that's what they want to do.

The dye system has done nothing but make certain pieces of the same gear better over others for no other reason than the dyes now give stats. It has done nothing towards uniqueness.

[R0ssdaddy]

Undyed Cobalt Gear looks SO much better than the Red, especially on us Galka. I really wish I didnt have to wear the red just to get the added stat bonuses.

For the first day of patch, I was so happy that I actully looked like a Paladin! Now I look like a blood-soaked MRD with a sword.

DO NOT like how dyes bestow stats, but fully support changing the aesthetics.

[Starkbeaumont]

i get where most ppl come from, but i actually like the way it is now. only thing that should be changed imo is colors not matching (red hat, green body etc.) like it was stated already.

[Betelgeuzah]

How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all archers of a same rank to wear a Blue Tunic?

Like I said, between classes, not within a class.

How is it aesthetically unique across the board for all Bards to wear the same Bard AF?

The fact is its not.

Does it have to be? Moreover, more important is that it is specific to Bard Job, and no other Job.

Of course I misunderstand you, when you keep changing the subject from general aesthetics to aesthetics within a class to who knows what's next. You keep going in circles because you can't accept the fact that this change makes classes more unique from each other.

It's tiring, to be honest. You have nothing. Nada. Zit. All cards played. These are the facts, you can choose to not like it but it's still the way it is. Bitching about within class uniqueness (which was not even the purpose of the change) does not help you in any shape or form.

How can you possibly believe that giving everyone the ability to wear any color they want would make you look the same as everyone?

That would make me look the same as possibly 4 other classes. And that is much worse than looking the same as every other player of my class.

[Jynx]

That would make me look the same as possibly 4 other classes. And that is much worse than looking the same as every other player of my class.

Statistically having 4 colours for 4 classes is the same ammount of people wearing a particular colour as 1 colour per 1 class. Aside the fact that a colour is forced upon you wether you like it or not.

Although obviously popular colours will arise, but is that as much an issue? Personally changing stats with colours is rediculous it makes no sense other than to help typecast people just by looking at them and I don't think we have many issues with that with us seeing our weapons and all....

[Betelgeuzah]

Statistically having 4 colours for 4 classes is the same ammount of people wearing a particular colour as 1 colour per 1 class. Aside the fact that a colour is forced upon you wether you like it or not.

So instead of having class uniqueness, we would have color uniqueness.

Maybe we should give up the class names altogether and just start calling them by Colors.

You keep bringing up class vs class uniqueness when that isn't even what we're talking about right now.

And when that comparison is exactly what this whole change is about, that sure is a problem.

"No, lets not talk about the actual meaning behind the change, otherwise I might actually understand the reasoning behind it. Let me make up something irrelevant instead."

as it's far too frustrating.

"The truth will set you free. But first, its going to piss you off."

[Oscillate_Wildly]

So instead of having class uniqueness, we would have color uniqueness.

Maybe we should give up the class names altogether and just start calling them by Colors.

That's what you just said you wanted. You want to be able to distinguish one class by the next by havine one wear one colour, and the second class to be wearing the other.