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  1. #21
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    MimieNya's Avatar
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    Mimie Nya
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colorful View Post
    Good luck trying to tell 23 others what to do and have them actually listen, hell I can't even communicate with my team 90% of the time because I'm on Tonberry.
    What if I tell you that they'll listen to you if you're good with basic commands using the auto translate functions or spend some time to ask your japanese friends to give some advice? This is a mmo game so you need to use your connections. Well I'm from tonberry too sooo.... yeah.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorielle View Post
    Also you can be playing the best player on the team, but guess what? You can still lose. You can even be trying to lead them to victory, but you can still lose.
    Yep... losing happens but that is the beauty of PVP. Not gonna be fun if you're gonna win all the time no?
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  2. #22
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    Johnny Storm
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Sick of waiting hour for a game, remove the restriction. Vote mercenaries!
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  3. #23
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    Lorielle Kurayami
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    Cactuar
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    Pugilist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by MimieNya View Post
    Yep... losing happens but that is the beauty of PVP. Not gonna be fun if you're gonna win all the time no?
    Err..That sort of logic doesn't exactly work. You do know there are people out there that get a kick out of stomping their competition into the ground, right? Also that was definitely taken out of context.
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    Last edited by Lorielle; 09-02-2015 at 09:13 PM.

  4. #24
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    Eskuire's Avatar
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    Jersey Flow
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    Bard Lv 90
    Just make a quest that allows you to increase through the petty officer rank, if you CHOOSE to go Officer for Adders / Mael / Flames, you queue up as an Adder . Mael / Flame, until then you're treated into a pool of players who act as mercenaries. Make the quest something like...idk "Kill blah blah blah in Seize Rock or Lead a GC to victory X times" and it'll unlock the quest to proceed higher and get awarded new GC gear thats 170-190 with Materia slots, or crafting materials. It'll promote the PvE community to be like "Oh i need Ancient Lumber and Stone Vigil Lumber to make X, maybe I should go Pvp so I don't have to waste 200k gil on the MB"

    Or, "Man, I really don't have a set static for Alex Savage, maybe I should get into PvP and with the Materia make my ilvl 210'ish with penta-melds"

    You're the Warrior of Light. You shouldn't be restricted to being a middle tier rank in a GC anyway.

    Make the higher tier officer unlock a pvp skill that gives something dumb like 10% HP Resto + Regen, or allow you to charge LB gauges slightly faster, something that inspires your troops.
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    Last edited by Eskuire; 09-03-2015 at 03:42 AM.

  5. #25
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    Vandril's Avatar
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    Ter'vin Valash
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    Diabolos
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    Ninja Lv 70
    @MimieNya - You're allowed to like the GC restrictions all you want. Opinions and assholes and all that. But it's a fact that the GC restriction causes gameplay problems - higher queue times across the board 100% of the time (even short queue times would be shorter without the restrictions, excepting instant queues), the natural flocking of most weekly PvE Eso farming players who don't care to win to one of the three GCs on each data center (usually the one with the lowest queue times), and the natural reaction to this flocking where many serious PvPers will go to a different GC to increase chances of victory (which causes GC population imbalances for those active in PvP).

    It also causes problems with grouping up with friends and FC mates if they happen to be in different GCs - yes, they can change GCs, but as more and more friends are forced to switch, and you meet more and more people you'd like to PvP with... Where does it end? What if they have other friends who they PvP with in their current GC? You can't have everyone switch over. It just doesn't work. You will either eventually have an entire server on the same GC (never going to happen), or will cut off friends with their friends, friends of friends with their friends, etc. down the network of friends.

    The GC restrictions cause problems. That's a fact. So saying something like "it's fine as it is, suck it up" is factually incorrect. Problems are, by definition, not fine, and the GC restrictions cause problems.

    If you really want to defend GC restrictions, you're much better off finding and expressing things the restriction brings to the table. There's been a lot of conversation on the cons of the GC restrictions, but far less on the pros. The only way you might convince anyone it needs to stay is by showing them the system's boons.

    Good luck with that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    Just make a quest that allows you to increase through the petty officer rank, if you CHOOSE to go Officer for Adders / Mael / Flames, you queue up as an Adder . Mael / Flame, until then you're treated into a pool of players who act as mercenaries. Make the quest something like...idk "Kill blah blah blah in Seize Rock or Lead a GC to victory X times" and it'll unlock the quest to proceed higher and get awarded new GC gear thats 170-190 with Materia slots, or crafting materials.
    Do you have any idea how many players would hate the hell out of this due to not liking PvP? Especially considering GC ranks are an entirely PvE system.
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    Last edited by Vandril; 09-03-2015 at 03:52 AM.

  6. #26
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    morerancor's Avatar
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    Coeurl
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    Alchemist Lv 60
    There are literally hundreds of overly complicated solutions to fix pvp and only 1 easy one that is fair to most. There are some guys who leveled other gc's. Myself I maxed my main and have both others at 35. Giving those up is a small price to pay for short ques and being able to play with my fc. No gc's would lead to 5 minute ques. Anytime 72 players want to play, game on!
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  7. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vandril View Post
    Do you have any idea how many players would hate the hell out of this due to not liking PvP? Especially considering GC ranks are an entirely PvE system.
    Then don't do it. lol. I hated Alex farming and Atma grinding in 2.1 but I did it anyway because it needed to be done. No one is forcing anyone to do anything, but if you choose to go higher in the Ranks, be prepared to deal with it.

    Also, if GC ranks were a PvE system then why lock the petty officers then? what's the point? It's like "Oh look, King Moogle gets Savage mode." big frigging whoopy doo. Go beat it up so you can go up one rank and grind more F.A.T.E.S for seals. Boring. You kill two birds with one stone, you get a universal pool of players for GC's to soften queue times, you get the people who WANT to grind it queueing up, if they hate it. Tough crap, don't do it, no one is forcing you. You get SE to keep GC's that promote both the PvE and PvP community on separate sides.
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  8. #28
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    Ter'vin Valash
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    Diabolos
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    Then don't do it. lol. I hated Alex farming and Atma grinding in 2.1 but I did it anyway because it needed to be done. No one is forcing anyone to do anything, but if you choose to go higher in the Ranks, be prepared to deal with it.
    No, see, people won't have the option to deal with it or just not do it, since this change will never be made to begin with. Let's be real, here. Square will never do this due to the inevitable backlash from PvEers who want nothing to do with PvP.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    Also, if GC ranks were a PvE system then why lock the petty officers then? what's the point? It's like "Oh look, King Moogle gets Savage mode." big frigging whoopy doo. Go beat it up so you can go up one rank and grind more F.A.T.E.S for seals. Boring.
    What are you even going on about? Regarding your first sentence in the quote above: that makes literally zero sense, so I have no idea what you mean.

    Regardless, it's not "if GC ranks were a PvE system". GC ranks are a PvE system. The GC rank system currently involves only PvE content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    You kill two birds with one stone, you get a universal pool of players for GC's to soften queue times, you get the people who WANT to grind it queueing up,
    No. What you'll end up with is maybe a handful of new people queuing for PvP that weren't already and the rest of the PvEers complaining on the forum until the system is changed and a PvE method of obtaining the new GC ranks is implemented. At which point the new queuers for PvP stop queueing, Square ends up having wasted time changing the system to appease the (rightful) complainers, and nobody is the better off from where it all started.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eskuire View Post
    if they hate it. Tough crap, don't do it, no one is forcing you.
    No offense, but you'd make a truly terrible game designer with a philosophy like this.
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    Last edited by Vandril; 09-03-2015 at 06:32 PM.

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