Why keep DF off of new content?

[Colorful]

that only happens when the leader lies to the others that it will be a clearing group. real learning group will get wipe after wipe for an hour to actually learn the fight.

No, it happens constantly no matter the circumstances. I've set up several practice parties for EX primals, made sure to include "have at least an hour to spare". We wipe while making steady progress for 20 or so minutes and someone has to go. Okay, no problem. I let the group know I'm going to refill the party and we'll continue, not 2 minutes pass until someone else goes "FC mates are calling me, got to go (that FC excuse is becoming as old as the "my dog ate my homework" one). Whatever, only two people that need replacing, but then everyone else starts leaving, it's the domino effect if that's what they call it.

Even when I started setting up farm parties that go incredibly smoothly, someone leaves after 1-2 runs when I specified they have to stay for an hour at least in the party finder. It happens all the time, one person leaves, everyone else does too.

[FoxyAreku]

Say that to my T5, T9 and T13 clear
The raid mechanics here doesn't really need that much communication to pass

You must be joking.
The accepted strat for T9 in particular has someone actually stop their rotation to set up marks mid-fight. That's definitely not a means of communication.

[hagare]

You must be joking.
The accepted strat for T9 in particular has someone actually stop their rotation to set up marks mid-fight. That's definitely not a means of communication.

no, not joking.
I got all my first clears for those through DF.
hey, I got more practice for those in DF than PF.
in my data center the OT usually does marks, so DPS can keep DPSing, and the loss of OT DPS is more acceptable than the loss of DPS' DPS.

EX primals are easy.
During pony farm before HW, the only pony I got from PF is boreas.
The rest = DF farm

[Eul]

no, not joking.
I got all my first clears for those through DF.
hey, I got more practice for those in DF than PF.
in my data center the OT usually does marks, so DPS can keep DPSing, and the loss of OT DPS is more acceptable than the loss of DPS' DPS.

EX primals are easy.
During pony farm before HW, the only pony I got from PF is boreas.
The rest = DF farm

Actually JP Datacenter is pretty good doing any coil/primal IMO.

[hagare]

Actually JP Datacenter is pretty good doing any coil/primal IMO.

Yup. Meanwhile all I hear about NA data centers are horror stories

[Yumi_umi]

that only happens when the leader lies to the others that it will be a clearing group. real learning group will get wipe after wipe for an hour to actually learn the fight.

Nah usually a player who joined always says the usual
" i gtg fc needs me " or " i gtg house on fire ".
I made a lot of pfs for fights and i clearly stated do not join if you r only going to attempt 1 or 2 runs. So yea df is way better in most cases. PF filled with too many ppl wanting to get carried. I see a lot of this when i help ppl in bis ex/ rav ex clear parties.

[Ashkendor]

Yup. Meanwhile all I hear about NA data centers are horror stories

It's just a cultural difference. NA players tend to view the DF as something to go into to get their feet wet. They don't care about the other seven people in the party because odds are they don't know them and they very well may never see them again. JP players tend to do their exploring and learning in PF and bring their A game to DF so they don't inconvenience the other seven people by not knowing what's going on.

I have to say I'd prefer the JP view, honestly. I don't queue for DF on stuff I don't know.

[RandomInternetguy]

Say that to my T5, T9 and T13 clear
The raid mechanics here doesn't really need that much communication to pass

Because you did it when the content is already old and got echo'ed ?
When things got put in duty finder, people already did it for like 6 months or more and required an obscene high ilv to enter(i123 for t13? lol) At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.
Some people got carried by gear and/or jps and think they are good lol.

[Greyfrost]

I'm one of those people that like to use DF.

While I cringe at the fact that current end-game content (Alex Savage, as of now) is stroked out from DF, I still rejoice more.

Because, let's face it, even if there are few good people with incomplete party using DF to do stuffs, there are bigger chances that you'll likely meet the baddies.
Unless your data center is filled with pr0s (Which is unlikely).

Yes, currently, I am fine with Alex Savage not being a choice in DF.

[hagare]

Because you did it when the content is already old and got echo'ed ?
When things got put in duty finder, people already did it for like 6 months or more and required an obscene high ilv to enter(i123 for t13? lol) At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.
Some people got carried by gear and/or jps and think they are good lol.

Of course I got carried
Never said I was good.

The point I was making is that it is very much possible to do hard content like coil in DF. Unlike what all the naysayers before were saying.

I'm just a filthy casual raider. No static, just PUGs if I can find the time or feel like it.
That's why I like practicing in DF, less hassle more pew pew.

I don't know if clearing them the moment they're out in DF can be called old though?
carried by obscene high gear? you mean the ilvl the raid was actually tuned for?

I'm so sorry I wasn't a progression raider. I think the only ones I cleared before echo was put in is T6,7,8, 10 and 11, and 12.
are you done?

PS: *At that point, people can 7 man or even 6 man those fights.* You seem to think that everyone is a hardcore progression world first chaser.
news flash: most people are like me, filthy filthy casual raider

I'm one of those people that like to use DF.

While I cringe at the fact that current end-game content (Alex Savage, as of now) is stroked out from DF, I still rejoice more.

Because, let's face it, even if there are few good people with incomplete party using DF to do stuffs, there are bigger chances that you'll likely meet the baddies.
Unless your data center is filled with pr0s (Which is unlikely).

Yes, currently, I am fine with Alex Savage not being a choice in DF.

of course you'll find baddies at first. you'l probably meet me there
when they allow *IF* they allow people to solo queue for a raid, people who haven't even bothered doing it will give it a try as well.
There will be lots of newbies trying their hands on it.
Still won't stop me from practicing my role in it though.