Thoughts on players of the community.

[dementiondrive]

i bought and played FF11 for 1 week. the turn off for me was there was nor hotbar and no minimap. those are my only complaints. the overall feel of it i like.

now the 1.0 question. i played 1.0 for about 3 months. came in during patch 1.23B. i loved every minute of it. lets throw all that copy pasted stuff out the window. we all know about it. not wanting to go there. 1.23B was going in the right direction. i played to lvl 31 bard and actually was in with friendly people that had to work together. the only real problems. (others might be more) is that the server loading in was so long on it as they were in Japan. 4 dungeons is not a lot of content. sure. though overall it brought the community that cared to help and if not. it was not the me me me crowd.



i personally would love 1.0 back in the good points it brought. even if the environment itself is not a fancy as it was. it felt like you really had to travel instead of. oh i am here. must teleport there. after you ran out of anima in 1.0. you had to travel on foot.

i know 1.0 is not coming back. just there are a few here and there that miss certain aspects on what 1.0 had that we truly lost in the transition.

[Ayuhra]

I am a WoW immigrant. The things I would love to take from there are the following:

1) dynamic raid encounters
2) More fluid combat, shorter rotations. Difficulty put into encounters instead of everything being about pattern recognition and perfect rotational execution
3) Talking to NPCs while mounted
4) Automatically dismounting when initiating combat
5) Horizontal progression, FFXIV style not WoW style. I think the Yoshi P team could find a way of doing this that is unique.


Aaaand...that's it. I'd basically like to see the gameplay cleaned up and raids be more interesting...granted I haven't done Coil past Turn 5. Some parts of World of Darkness are nifty, though. The huuuuge rotations bother me the most. Huge and/or clunky. I know everyone reading this is thinking "Lol you're BLM complaining about rotations get gud". You have a point, sirs. BLM doesn't have a lot of buttons, my problem with BLM is slow cast times + timers + attention span of a goldfish means I sometimes lose Enochian at embarrassing moments. My NIN alt plays well due to its speed but that's a good example of many buttons. It's doable but it's just scraping what my hands are capable of.

Anyway for anything outside raiding and combat (though I like NIN, I should level it on Gale soon) I immensely prefer FFXIV. This world is one I'd much rather be in than Azeroth. I don't want to see raid encounters focused on to the exclusion of everything else. That's what WoW has been doing lately and it's awful. It plays like a dream but....there's nothing there anymore.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Too me its refreshing to see you guys reply. This wasnt meant as a bring FFXI back and make it FFXI-2.
I have 4 chars 2 on legacy servers and two on non legacy servers. The legacy servers gaming mentality is very ffxi and the non legacy ones are very "wow". I say it like that because it has turned into a generalization and everyone thats non 1.0 and ffxi seems to be put in the same folder.
Just a simple thing on how everything must be done in a fc on non legacy servers shows a bit of the mentality where stuff is pretty much meant within your guild. Most ffxi players dont have that mentality thats all. Dont turn this into a mega debate now was just explaining how it seems to be viewed.

[Yellow]

I tried to write up my feelings as a 1.0 player, but it's difficult with 1,000 character limits.... (really bad forum design choice, but w/e).

For a tl;dr

1.0 was a unique and one of my best MMORPG experiences.
- Mixed with some amazing concepts and some poor concepts (like the experience limit - but that was shortly removed).
- A lot of issues were caused by the internal structure of the game, rather than the design choices.
- Combat was simple since there was no interest in developing it further because 2.0 was a thing.. but I still prefer the old system over this one. (2.0 BLM in particular is difficult for me to accept since using Fire on Ifrit is ridiculous).
- Communities were probably better IMO because the game wasn't easy so most of the players were dedicated to make things enjoyable, so obviously everyone was interested in cooperating.
- Also the graphics and animations were the best I have seen in any MMORPG to this day.

Edit: I made a bigger blog post about it. http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest.../blog/2485072/

[Nadirah]

I only played 1.0 beta for 10 mins then never came back again,

And since then played on 2.0 , the community back then was far more wonderful than now for example:

Back in the days in dungeos when I tell player to DPS marked target when they aren't, they apologize and DPS target then we all laugh and live happily ever after.

Now in HW, I tell them the same, they start arguing about how bad I am in my role (a Tank), nevertheless I argue bit of them till their true colors appear then I vote dismiss them.

Call me brutal but I need to elitist douchbag in my group telling me how to play my role (which I am not perfect at but managed to tank most extreme Primals and up to BC T6 pre-HW) when he/she isn't doing his/her role properly.

So yeah sadly more WoW babies mentality is slowly poisoning the game social and playstyle aspects.

I find most of the pretentious douchebags *didn't* play wow, but instead pine for FFXI-2.

[SkizzleofRagnarok]

Yellow: When you write a post just edit and you can type more than 1000 letters

[Nadirah]

Wow's issue actually has nothing to do extreme class homogenization/streamlining of game play. It all comes down to 1 thing which started in in Cataclysm, and guess when wow subs went down.

No content.

No, their problem is devs that know what we think is fun more than we do.

[Yellow]

Yellow: When you write a post just edit and you can type more than 1000 letters

Thanks bb :3 I just edited my post for a blog link instead since this entire thread got me going. I'm not going to read the arguments though since people on here can be pretty hurtful and ignorant (see: I quit within a day and never went back, all of 1.0 was bad- type arguments just don't hold any weight when 1.0 and 1.23 were vastly different).

[dementiondrive]

i would have to agree about blizzards thoughts on. "we are the devs we know what is fun for you if you like it or not deal with it". which started in cata and from there was a crash and burn. mists of pandaria kept subscriptions at a steady pace for the ones that left were being replaced at a decent pace on the people returning.

then we had a facebook garrison crap in warlords with crap all content. hell people even said during beta phase this is what is fun keep it in and improve on it. they came out and said deal with it in a indirect way. they removed almost if not all the things people wanted them to keep.

by the looks of the legion reveal they actual look like they smartened up when they saw their player base say. well if you say to us "deal with it" well you're no longer worth my money.

will see what legion does.

[Mindylou]

Depends on server I guess.
When I was in Gilgamesh I had a miserable time there and didn't want to log in because North American players are pretty toxic showing signs of elitism, always bringing up how they miss World of Warcraft, acting very rude to me and other players, not wanting to show signs of building a community.

Tonberry it's a non issue most of the time, do catch quite a few NA data center rejects here and there but they get quickly shut down, I've cleared things I had trouble with in Gilgamesh, I've made some nice friends, I'm happy here and wouldn't dream of going to Duty Finder with Americans again.
A majority of players who speak English in Tonberry tend to bring up how horrible the NA community is.

Guess it's just cultural difference.

generalize much
talk about totally off
this right here is what destroys games
/downvote