NIN's It's time to stand up

[Aiselia]

Then you get people who don't know the limits of their class and the exact numbers they can push in a fight

Whether they are officially allowed or not would not make people play worse. Whether they're officially allowed or not, you'll still have people who just don't care and wouldn't pay attention to it anyways.

Just thought I would make it clear about using a parser and trying to get the highest numbers possible, not necessarily being the same as having a big ego.

Yep, and I'm perfectly fine with people wanting to do the best they can and push their limits, just as long as they don't try to use it to make other people feel bad or lose sight of the fact that the most important part is that your whole group killed the boss, not just you.

@Both: That being said, I wouldn't be averse to a PERSONAL DPS meter officially put in the game provided it ONLY shows yourself and not the rest of your group, as that could be used to gauge your personal performance to know whether what you're doing is working well or if that change you just made in your rotation was a good or bad change, or things like that, while still not officially allowing you to see anybody else's damage to avoid the toxic crowd that would just take the opportunity to attack other players.

But I guess this is kind of straying from the subject.

[Selvokaz]

I'm a returning player, and one of the things that brought me back to the game was the Ninja, as well as Heavensward, but my gripe is very simple maybe even Shallow, that teleportation skill ninja gets is in my opinion unwieldy, having to aim a cursor or targeting system in the midst of real time game play is unacceptable, the move as it stands is really just for show right now. Why not make it a simple line of sight spell with a set range limit? It can keep all the same rules it uses now like now but rather it's trajectory is simply the way you are currently facing.

Other than that, im not sure what else needs be fixed, i've had a lot of fun playing a ninja but knowing one of my abilities is pretty much unusable because it requires some kind of trick setup or is just for showing off outside of combat means the skill could be better.

[Kolaina]

I'm a returning player, and one of the things that brought me back to the game was the Ninja, as well as Heavensward, but my gripe is very simple maybe even Shallow, that teleportation skill ninja gets is in my opinion unwieldy, having to aim a cursor or targeting system in the midst of real time game play is unacceptable, the move as it stands is really just for show right now. Why not make it a simple line of sight spell with a set range limit? It can keep all the same rules it uses now like now but rather it's trajectory is simply the way you are currently facing.

Other than that, im not sure what else needs be fixed, i've had a lot of fun playing a ninja but knowing one of my abilities is pretty much unusable because it requires some kind of trick setup or is just for showing off outside of combat means the skill could be better.

because its a quick repositioning, much like dragoon jumps, a closer such as monk shoulder tackle, evasive like repelling shot, elusive jump, aetherial manipulation. more than just for show. as far as aiming it, brds have been doing somethin similar for ages with flaming arrow, it really doesnt take long to aim somethin like this. set distance? miscalculate and your still far from target or end up tank side in a fight just in time to eat a cleave

edit: in fact other than the quelling that comes with the elusive jump a drg has, i believe the nin skill you mention trumps all my examples because of the versatility

[MrCookTM]

because its a quick repositioning, much like dragoon jumps, a closer such as monk shoulder tackle, evasive like repelling shot, elusive jump, aetherial manipulation. more than just for show. as far as aiming it, brds have been doing somethin similar for ages with flaming arrow, it really doesnt take long to aim somethin like this. set distance? miscalculate and your still far from target or end up tank side in a fight just in time to eat a cleave

edit: in fact other than the quelling that comes with the elusive jump a drg has, i believe the nin skill you mention trumps all my examples because of the versatility

This pretty much. It just takes some time getting used to. If you want a prime example of how good it is and how quick it can be executed, watch Mr Happy's A3s kill and how he does it to close in to the boss after wash away.

[Alahra]

as far as aiming it, brds have been doing somethin similar for ages with flaming arrow, it really doesnt take long to aim somethin like this.

To be fair, BRD isn't normally sitting at a 2-second global, which made Flaming Arrow a bit easier to work with in the past. With their cast times now, though, it's incredibly unwieldy for them, though. If you're using Shukuchi to close a gap, it's not so bad since you aren't fighting the global, though using it on the move is somewhat annoying because of how the targeting circle adjust as you move.

[Arow22]

Ninja do not have competitive dps in the highest current tier of raiding. I am not sure how people can argue this with the parse sites now available

Thanks for making this point, couldn't agree more to all that you wrote. Tired of hearing "oh ninja in end game raid so they are good and people don't know what they are taking about" as their argument. What? How about the intent of the job- not sure SE sold ninja as the next bard with supporting buffs.

In fact it was the opposite! And SE sold it with argo type moves to keep hate on the tank due to damage ninja was doing before HW, and haste buff to do more damage. Except it didn't work, and if it was for old TA not sure how much ninja would be taken for end games- sure it's not for the new argo moves that people are talking about. Don't think that was SE plan, please.

[Pluvia]

Thanks for making this point, couldn't agree more to all that you wrote. Tired of hearing "oh ninja in end game raid so they are good and people don't know what they are taking about" as their argument. What? How about the intent of the job- not sure SE sold ninja as the next bard with supporting buffs.

In fact it was the opposite! And SE sold it with argo type moves to keep hate on the tank due to damage ninja was doing before HW, and haste buff to do more damage. Except it didn't work, and if it was for old TA not sure how much ninja would be taken for end games- sure it's not for the new argo moves that people are talking about. Don't think that was SE plan, please.

For the love of god let this thread end it was so close to being gone It all started with a good point about Tp issues and lag that they can't fix but then the Ninjas are super broken crowd jumped in and derailed it

Ninjas are mostly fine right now just needs Tp fixed. stop bumping this thread up the forum pages

[Arow22]

For the love of god let this thread end it was so close to being gone It all started with a good point about Tp issues and lag that they can't fix but then the Ninjas are super broken crowd jumped in and derailed it

Ninjas are mostly fine right now just needs Tp fixed. stop bumping this thread up the forum pages

Bump... Just cause your fine doesn't mean the rest isn't valid.

[MrCookTM]

Bump... Just cause your fine doesn't mean the rest isn't valid.

And yet you made zero valid points yourself.

[AnimaS]

I don't even play ninja, I have watched them as warrior using my storm's eye buff that is literally 10% on the raid boss the entire fight...... and I have a Dragoon which was fun yet far inferior until 3.0 and now it's just a blast... but not a piece of cake for DPS... you cannot sac potency so every move must be executed from correct positionals and blood must be kept up while dealing with mechanics (and disembowel and HT) of course... yea we have Invigorate as if that fixes ANYTHING LOL; we are putting buffs up and if the drg is really good you'll see 1400+dps. with a warrior buff i know a ninja can do 1300 without the DRG irritations of dancing around...