Red Mage (Tank) Please!

[Nomad-phx]

Well it could be a tank or a support really. Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring". News flash: All roles press a sequence of buttons resulting in causing cascading numbers to appear in your screen(how larger numbers affect fun I'll never understand) so please SE, give us more " interesting " tanks to utilize.

[SendohJin]

Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring".

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

[Nektulos-Tuor]

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

Warrior is just one of many tanking playstyles though. I like the aesthetic but I don't like how it plays myself.

[Kaurie]

people who say that are lying. WAR is not boring. DPS who refuse to play it or not avoiding it cause it's boring, they don't like that responsilbity.

False. I sometimes enjoy PLD, but every time I try to play my WAR my eyes start to bleed with boredom.

Obviously, to each their own.

[SendohJin]

Warrior is just one of many tanking playstyles though. I like the aesthetic but I don't like how it plays myself.

not liking the playstyle doesn't make it boring. i no longer like how BRD plays that doesn't mean i call it boring, i use "clunky" as the default descriptor.

False. I sometimes enjoy PLD, but every time I try to play my WAR my eyes start to bleed with boredom.

Obviously, to each their own.

that does not reinforce the position that tanking in general has to be boring. there isn't anything mechanical about WAR or melee DPS that makes one more boring than the other besides not having to move from flank to rear. and if you're saying you're okay with PLD, than you don't even have that.

[Kaurie]

that does not reinforce the position that tanking in general has to be boring. there isn't anything mechanical about WAR or melee DPS that makes one more boring than the other besides not having to move from flank to rear. and if you're saying you're okay with PLD, than you don't even have that.

What? I don't even understand your retort. However, you said that a DPS who finds WAR boring is due to tanking responsibility and not the job design itself. I am saying that I am 1 example which contradicts that, proving it a false statement.

[SendohJin]

What? I don't even understand your retort. However, you said that a DPS who finds WAR boring is due to tanking responsibility and not the job design itself. I am saying that I am 1 example which contradicts that, proving it a false statement.

i didn't say that, i said they are lying when they say that. if you can enjoy PLD, you can't be an example.

No, I mean technically. Because technically they aren't casting. They simply have times associated with skills.

that's not what technically means.

[Kaurie]

that's not what technically means.

Not replying to the first part, because your argument has become even more confusing.

As for technically, I did not define before. I simply used the term. However, if you'd like a definition:
tech·ni·cal·ly
teknək(ə)lē/
adverb
1.
according to the facts or exact meaning of something; strictly.

[Welsper59]

Well it could be a tank or a support really. Personally I'd like to see a tank class ppl won't avoid like the plague cause "its boring". News flash: All roles press a sequence of buttons resulting in causing cascading numbers to appear in your screen(how larger numbers affect fun I'll never understand) so please SE, give us more " interesting " tanks to utilize.

Honestly though, the absolute #1 reason why people don't take up the tank role in any game is because of the responsibility associated to it. In games where you move around as a group, the tank (the one who bears the burden of handling all the mobs), is typically looked at as the leader of the pack. The alpha. Just like IRL activities, practically no one wants to burden the responsibilities of being a leader. Heck, think about if you joined a simple FATE or hunt group, would you (or anyone else) actively volunteer to be leader? Probably not.

Unless this were a game like FFXI where you don't move around, have a designated puller (usually a THF, RNG, BRD, etc), and essentially setup camp for most activities, tanks will always be seen as the leader in a generic group activity that isn't already being run by a designated leader. In order to change that, you'd need to change the importance of tanks being the first to agg stuff. The boredom bit is relevant too, but is very much a side note compared. Tanks could be over-complicated to make things a lot less monotonous, but that'd also be a hindrance to the population of tanks. It's a big cluster**** situation.

When you use Gauss Barrel and WM you turn Bard from Physical to Caster and change its play-style completely. Just like when you use Cleric Stance you change healers into ranged DPS casters.

I am not saying that. I am saying there are many "types" of ranged casters and casters in general for DPS, Healing roles.

None however for Tanking roles.

Well technically, removing tanking stances turns them into DPS... PLD being the exception to that, be it in Shield Oath or Sword Oath lol.

[Kaurie]

Technically speaking, a PLD is more of a caster than a BRD or MCH. I mean this in the sense that PLD actually casts spells, as oppose to BRD or MCH which do not cast spells but have skills that take time.