Reevaluation to Tanks Stances and Related Abilities

[Reynhart]

It is, but Delirium and Souleater combo off of Syphon Strike. More Syphon Strike=more Dark Arts=more damage (Dark Arts+Souleater is actually the highest potency attack).

No, it's not.
Power Slash is their highest potency WS (Not counting DA+SoulEater), but Spinning Slash is 30 less potency than Syphon Strike. So, the combined potency of Delirium combo is higher than the Power Slash combo.

[darkbat069]

Yes, I know, first of all all Dark Knights are going to deny this, lol. But I've played many Roulettes and Trials with so many other tanks. I'm a Paladin and have no problems sharing enmity with a Warrior when we have to switch off. However even with Dark Knights equal lvl or just a few below mine and I can't pull threat off them. I've exhausted my mana and TP trying to pull threat off of them. The only thing that will do it is Provoke and even then ONLY for a fraction of a second. No wonder all the servers are flooded with Dark Knights!!! If you are going to favor the new job classes, then you might as well delete the old ones...sheesh!!!!

[DestinovaTrueblade]

Yes, I know, first of all all Dark Knights are going to deny this, lol. But I've played many Roulettes and Trials with so many other tanks. I'm a Paladin and have no problems sharing enmity with a Warrior when we have to switch off. However even with Dark Knights equal lvl or just a few below mine and I can't pull threat off them. I've exhausted my mana and TP trying to pull threat off of them. The only thing that will do it is Provoke and even then ONLY for a fraction of a second. No wonder all the servers are flooded with Dark Knights!!! If you are going to favor the new job classes, then you might as well delete the old ones...sheesh!!!!

Did they turn off grit? While DRK generate more aggro than PLD, you shouldn't have trouble pulling off them in Shield oath with Halone combo if they turn off grit.
And really, DRK has nothing on WAR on enmity generation #Unchained

[Drakkaelus]

Everything is fine at the moment. Why would you want to kill one of the fun aspect of tanking atm ?

MMO tanking must be dry and uninteresting at all times. No damage, no flashy moves, no options. I propose that we remove DPS stances entirely and make dps combos/cooldowns unusable while tanking. Too many tanks out there are trying to have fun.

[JMadFour]

MMO tanking must be dry and uninteresting at all times. No damage, no flashy moves, no options. I propose that we remove DPS stances entirely and make dps combos/cooldowns unusable while tanking. Too many tanks out there are trying to have fun.

Or we could just remove Tanks from the game entirely, and make us all DPS.

too many Tanks who want to be Tanks and not just DPS with faster Queue times.

see, ridiculous hyperbole works both ways.

[Yasminou]

So, instead of having the enmity provided by the said abilities regardless of the stance where tanking stance should provides additional enmity and the extra benefits. it would be better to have this abilities to provide enmity, or the total current enmity, when the tank in the tanking stance.

I'm afraid this would make tanking at low level for GLA (or PLD until lv. 40) and MRD even harder. They would have to spam Flash or Overpower even more .

[Reynhart]

I'm afraid this would make tanking at low level for GLA (or PLD until lv. 40) and MRD even harder. They would have to spam Flash or Overpower even more .

Or they should have given tank and DPS stances to classes at very low level...which would have opened the possibility of having DPS Soulstones later.

[Phoenicia]

There is a BIG flaw in this way of thinking:

Assigning aggro bonus to tanking stance will make it impossible for GLA, MRD, heck even DRK pre-30 to tank. They just won't be able to do it since they have no aggro moves.

EDIT: Yasminou already pointed the same point out lol. my bad.

Also, my FC mate and I were discussing WAR DPS during 2.2 and he said this: "Defiance or no Defiance, an early Butcher Block crit WILL rip hate off anything". So it's not a new thing because of Deliverance. lol

The rest of the points were answered for by others so I won't reiterate.

[Donjo]

There is a BIG flaw in this way of thinking:

Assigning aggro bonus to tanking stance will make it impossible for GLA, MRD, heck even DRK pre-30 to tank. They just won't be able to do it since they have no aggro moves.

Oh, but that's easy to fix. Make it only apply to Tanks who currently possess a Tank Stance, ie. 30+ WAR/DRK and 40+ PLD.

[RayneBoemir]

No thank you I happen to like being able to tank while in dps stance provided the damage taken isn't ridiculous.