Change Player Commendations

[Craiger]

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

Thank you. Parsing players being taboo is a weird view on things...

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

We all have our own views on things like this I guess, but I just feel that we should encourage players that actually puts some effort in and do decent DPS.

I did a dungeon with someone from my FC the other day (don't run often with him), and if I just looked at the enmity bar (which I don't want to do), then it would be hard to differentiate his performance to the normal player you group up with. With a parser though, I could see that he did really good DPS actually... And I say actually, because he's more of a casual player, and he doesn't think his DPS is very good, but in reality, he has good DPS.

Is it wrong of me to acknowledge him for actually spending some time to improve? We need more casual players to do that IMO.

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely (idfk i90 DPS values, lol, so lets go with) 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly or making the effort to play correctly.

I really don't understand what you're on about... ofc I take their gear into consideration.

Also, have I ever mentioned judging players that doesn't get high numbers? There is only 1 commendation to give out for good performance. Me giving it to the one doing high DPS, doesn't mean I think the others are bad or anything... because I can't give anything to anyone else.

If you're a DPS, I'm only gonna give my commendation to a DPS, IF they get high DPS for their level of gear, because that's their only job, what else should I determine it by? dodging AoE? well, most players can do that. If you're new, I'm not saying you need to have any high DPS, but you also can't expect me to give them a commendation for not learning how to do it well yet. Not unless I actually know that someone is new and are doing good considering that. I don't go asking everyone how long they have played the game. That if anything, is taboo...

[Selli]

Thank you. Parsing players being taboo is a weird view on things...

It's taboo because it can cause discrimination and harassment.

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

I was simply stating that you don't need an illegal third party program to judge DPS when there is an in-game way that does basically the same thing. The difference is one is in the game and the other is against the ToS.

Your original post you said you only get commendations because someone must be running a parse. Some people don't use parsers, some people don't use them with people they don't know, but the enmity list can be used as a way to see who is doing more DPS if need be. That's it, that's all.

We all have our own views on things like this I guess, but I just feel that we should encourage players that actually puts some effort in and do decent DPS. [...] Is it wrong of me to acknowledge him for actually spending some time to improve? We need more casual players to do that IMO.

We should encourage new players, absolutely, but not by a number value. They should be encouraged for doing mechanics, like dodging AoEs and killing adds, as DPS values means nothing if one is dead. Knowing how to play their class (ie, their buffs) is also very important.

The numbers don't mean much of anything, someone can know how to play their class really well, but have low DPS numbers because their gear is outdated, just as someone can be pulling crazy DPS despite not doing anything correctly because they're over-geared. There are more factors to the situation than just straight DPS and someone who is making the effort should be rewarded just as much as someone who is 1337DPSingz.

[loreleidiangelo]

Enmity bar is an absolute crap way of judging performance and I wish people would stop spewing that garbage. The BRD who HAS to pop Quelling Strikes in order to avoid pulling threat during their opening burst would look less skilled to you than the one parsing about 200 DPS less with no enmity reductions required. Parsers could also show that WHM with 50% overheal that they have plenty of time to dip into Cleric's and actually contribute rather than Cure II spamming the WAR with Inner Beast and Vengeance up. (Or my personal favorite, Medica II when no one is taking AOE damage...) It could also show you that the WAR is or isn't using those very CDs I mentioned, though to be fair the buff list usually has tanks pretty well covered in terms of performance. Our DRG uses Elusive Jump in A1S as a means of transit from the original Oppressor to .5; do his lower enmity values mean he's our worst DPS? (Spoiler: he's not.)

These forums sometimes man; smh. Bullying people is never cool, but when we have this system that exists to reward people for their positive attitude and/or performance it sucks when you can't actually, y'know, accurately assess someone's performance. (Nobody dipped below 90% HP, so that means the Med II spamming WHM was a really excellent healer, right? ...Right? XD)

[Granyala]

Calling players out on their DPS is a bad thing, but why would they care about it when they don't even know about it? You said that it's possible to judge DPS based on enmity bar anyways... so no difference.

Why?
Why should "holy DPS" players be above criticism?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

I derp as a healer or tank -> usually someone dies or it's a wipe. My error is clearly visible for everyone and you can bet your ass on the fact that they WILL call me out / flame me / instantly kick me, depending on how many points they put into their drama queen talent.

The way I see it, DPS parsers (no I don't use them in FF as long as they are 3rd party halfassed they are too inaccurate imo) like Warcraftlogs even the playingfield and give me the tool I need to assess DPS performance, since most of their errors are invisible to the other players since they mainly result in lower DPS.

Yes I know there are a lot of morons who lack the intelligence to use tools like parsers properly and that cling to one sanctified number and think it describes all.
Well what do you know, we have people too dumb to use computers properly IRL too. Do we ban computers then?

[UnstablePersonality]

Where can we actually view what we get for reaching the commendation milestones?

[loreleidiangelo]

Where can we actually view what we get for reaching the commendation milestones?

There's a section under your Achievements tab labeled Character. Then there's a submenu which has the commendation-related achievements (click on each achieve to see their rewards).

[Krylo]

Enmity bar is an absolute crap way of judging performance and I wish people would stop spewing that garbage. The BRD who HAS to pop Quelling Strikes in order to avoid pulling threat during their opening burst would look less skilled to you than the one parsing about 200 DPS less with no enmity reductions required.

Thank you.

Enmity is only useful for judging DPS if you don't have a SMN (splits enmity with their pet), BLM (quelling), Bard (quelling), MCH (quelling), Ninja (Shadewalker), or Drg (evasive jump) in your party. That's 6 of the 7 DPS roles. Meaning unless you're in a group with two monks and nothing else, you can't just compare the enmity. If any of them used their enmity dumps it's straight broken.

[Hayden]

Can we please just make it MANDITORY to either give a goddamn commendation, or actively choose "Give none" before players just whisk themselves out of the instance?

I get it, sometimes your insanely high standards don't allow you to give out a commendation, so you want to take your ball and go home! But most of the time, let's be honest, you're just being lazy.

I'd much prefer if you HAD to either give one, or click "Nobody", rather than allowing the player to just not do it to save that millisecond or two.

[Craiger]

Why?
Why should "holy DPS" players be above criticism?
It makes no sense whatsoever.

I derp as a healer or tank -> usually someone dies or it's a wipe. My error is clearly visible for everyone and you can bet your ass on the fact that they WILL call me out / flame me / instantly kick me, depending on how many points they put into their drama queen talent.

The way I see it, DPS parsers (no I don't use them in FF as long as they are 3rd party halfassed they are too inaccurate imo) like Warcraftlogs even the playingfield and give me the tool I need to assess DPS performance, since most of their errors are invisible to the other players since they mainly result in lower DPS.

Yes I know there are a lot of morons who lack the intelligence to use tools like parsers properly and that cling to one sanctified number and think it describes all.
Well what do you know, we have people too dumb to use computers properly IRL too. Do we ban computers then?

I'm with you on this, I simply meant harassing someone for having low DPS. If everyone had a parser in-game, players would be able to see how they're doing, and improve. Nobody would have to be an ass and tell them their DPS is bad.

I see a lot of bad healers/tanks, but I don't tell them they are bad...

[RayneBoemir]

This of course is biased but here we go.

When I am tanking I get 1/2/3 commendations often times 2 if I pulled quickly I get 3. If wipes were done I apologize and excuse my bad playing because reasons (changed keybindings, pulled too much).

As a healer no matter what I do I typically get either one commendation or nothing at all. This happens even if I put a lot of effort (dps any time healing wasn't needed, nobody died.

As a dps I don't have much experience, but pre-expansion I would get 1 or nothing at all.

A lot of people leave a run after its done never bothering commending.