Change Player Commendations

[Craiger]

Don't need a parser, mate. Generally higher on the enmity table = higher DPS. I tend to commend DPS who keep their buffs up (like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot) and avoid AoEs. Just because someone is doing 1,000 DPS doesn't mean much to me if they're taking extra damage.

If you're a tank you can compare with enmity, but a lot of times the tank can't hold aggro on a boss, and I have to stop DPSing for a while. While I would still get pretty good DPS, it's more a case of the tank not being as skilled/under-geared. Another tank might have good enmity, or just play a tank job that has better enmity gain. That would come out as me doing less DPS if you just look at the enmity bar

It's possible to tell anyways, I know... but I think the tank/healer (if any) gets the commendation 9/10 times anyways, unless they use a parser. That's assuming you're doing really good DPS too ofc, enough for them to be impressed.

Dodging etc is more important ofc, but if we're talking about dungeons, that's not really an issue. I never mess up on mechanics in dungeons, and I always do high DPS (I like to set personal records), but I still rarely get commendations

[UBERHAXED]

Not too sure, I have very few runs when I don't get more than 1 commendation and most times I DF as DPS. I go into expert with summoner almost guaranties 2 commendations, sometimes 3. Maybe it's not about role and more about people actually giving the commendation to the players they think deserve it (Working as intended)? Although there are plenty times I go as scholar and walk out with 3. I don't given commendations unless I'm impressed with a player. And you can be be sure that who ever got it probably got at least one other player's commendation as well. People saying that mostly healers and tanks get commendations are simply not getting them because they probably haven't impressed anyone. BTW, I don't chat in dungeons so I don't say "Hello" at the beginning or try to be friendly. I just do my job.

[Craiger]

Not too sure, I have very few runs when I don't get more than 1 commendation and most times I DF as DPS. I go into expert with summoner almost guaranties 2 commendations, sometimes 3. Maybe it's not about role and more about people actually giving the commendation to the players they think deserve it (Working as intended)? Although there are plenty times I go as scholar and walk out with 3. I don't given commendations unless I'm impressed with a player. And you can be be sure that who ever got it probably got at least one other player's commendation as well. People saying that mostly healers and tanks get commendations are simply not getting them because they probably haven't impressed anyone. BTW, I don't chat in dungeons so I don't say "Hello" at the beginning or try to be friendly. I just do my job.

While I obviously don't know how it's for everyone here, but I'm sure many are doing a good job, and like I said in my post, I'm doing good every run I do, and still only get 1 commendation every 3-4 runs or something.

I'm not trying to sound like an elitist by that btw, but I like beating my personal records of DPS even in dungeons, so I think I try harder than the most for that type of content.

[Selli]

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Most people who use parsers do not use them for more casual content as it is incredibly rude (unless they are trying to see their own damage in an "action situation", that's the only time I could see anyone using a parser in a dungeon). I don't know anyone who uses them outside of raid content, especially to judge other players.

Everyone should be aware of enmity, that's why it can be used as a way to measure DPS. If you're not doing good DPS, you won't be high on the enmity table. That's why I said generally higher enmity = more DPS. If you had to stop attacking to lower your enmity, wouldn't that just make you lower on the parser and thus seem not as good? The enmity list seems like a more reliable gauge in that situation. Even if a tank is fairly geared and has strong lead on enmity, there's still a number/letter priority on the party list, even if the bars are barely visible.

My point is, you don't need to be parsed to get a commendation; the damage you do is only half the battle. The other half is having awareness for yourself and other party members. Keeping buffs up, avoiding AoEs, picking up items (like keys), and watching your enmity, are all signs of a good player that far exceeds pulling xx amount of DPS per encounter. People won't know your exact DPS values, so most people won't particularly care who's top DPS.

[Craiger]

Most people who use parsers do not use them for more casual content as it is incredibly rude (unless they are trying to see their own damage in an "action situation", that's the only time I could see anyone using a parser in a dungeon). I don't know anyone who uses them outside of raid content, especially to judge other players.

Everyone should be aware of enmity, that's why it can be used as a way to measure DPS. If you're not doing good DPS, you won't be high on the enmity table. That's why I said generally higher enmity = more DPS. If you had to stop attacking to lower your enmity, wouldn't that just make you lower on the parser and thus seem not as good? The enmity list seems like a more reliable gauge in that situation. Even if a tank is fairly geared and has strong lead on enmity, there's still a number/letter priority on the party list, even if the bars are barely visible.

My point is, you don't need to be parsed to get a commendation; the damage you do is only half the battle. The other half is having awareness for yourself and other party members. Keeping buffs up, avoiding AoEs, picking up items (like keys), and watching your enmity, are all signs of a good player that far exceeds pulling xx amount of DPS per encounter. People won't know your exact DPS values, so most people won't particularly care who's top DPS.

Yeah, you're right, players can/should be able to determine if someone is good without a parser, but it makes things easier. Btw, I don't use a parser to judge other players, I simply use it for my own sake... the fact that I can see how good the others are, is just a bonus. It's not like I call anyone out for it, but if someone is doing really good on DPS(no matter what role), and don't mess up in any other aspect, I'll give them my commendation. It's hard for to look at the enmity bar and determine if their DPS is good or not, and even more difficult to determine if the tank is doing good DPS while being a good tank.

The point of this thread still stands though... 9/10 times, the tank/healer will get the commendation, for what reason I don't know exactly, but that is the case. It has nothing to do with what you said about having good awareness, dodging AoE etc, cause even a DPS that does all that, probably won't get many commendations. At least not based on that.

[Selli]

Btw, I don't use a parser to judge other players, I simply use it for my own sake... the fact that I can see how good the others are, is just a bonus. It's not like I call anyone out for it, but if someone is doing really good on DPS(no matter what role), and don't mess up in any other aspect, I'll give them my commendation.

You're really contradicting yourself saying you don't use your parser to judge and then say if they do good DPS you'll commend them... that's judging them via your parser. Which is incredibly taboo.

It's hard for to look at the enmity bar and determine if their DPS is good or not, and even more difficult to determine if the tank is doing good DPS while being a good tank.

Not really. If the boss/adds/mobs aren't smacking anyone but the tank and the tank is using CDs, the tank is fine. The DPS doing the most hate will generally rip off the tank (unless the healer isn't paying attention to enmity). So, yes, the DPS outputting higher DPS will be higher on the enmity list. Maybe not right off the bat in the fight, but at some point, they will be generally 1-3rd behind the tank and/or healer.

The point of this thread still stands though... 9/10 times, the tank/healer will get the commendation, for what reason I don't know exactly, but that is the case. It has nothing to do with what you said about having good awareness, dodging AoE etc, cause even a DPS that does all that, probably won't get many commendations. At least not based on that.

Tanks get commendations for not losing hate, popping cooldowns, and pulling big. Healers get commendations for keeping people alive, DPSing, and buffing party members appropriately. They are seen as the more demanding jobs and have to react to the party, while DPS just have to hit things 'til they die. That is why tanks and healers get so many commendations, because they have the most responsibility.

And what I said is personal opinion. Other players in this thread have stated that they don't commend if people don't talk, I personally don't care if no one says anything, I care about how they play. Not everyone is me, not everyone is going to judge party members like I do, that's why I stated that is what I look for when I give commendations to other players. Everyone commends (or doesn't commend) people based on their own personal reasons.

[StrejdaTom]

In 2 years I got around 400 commendations on my BRD.
Then I got 40 in 2 days while playing AST.

I am probably really bad bard. =(

[Colorful]

You're really contradicting yourself saying you don't use your parser to judge and then say if they do good DPS you'll commend them... that's judging them via your parser. Which is incredibly taboo.

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

[Selli]

He's saying he doesn't use them to judge publicly, and call them out on poor performance. How's that taboo? If they're doing a great job, they get commended.

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely (idfk i90 DPS values, lol, so lets go with) 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly or making the effort to play correctly.

[Colorful]

Parsers aren't even legal in the game and even though he's not calling people out on their DPS, he is personally judging their performance based on their DPS values, which is one of the reasons why they're not allowed.

[EDIT] You can have someone who is a fresh 50 who is doing barely 300 DPS because they are in full i90. Does that mean they're a bad player? Not necessarily. So why judge them on a number value if they are playing correctly.

The reason they're not allowed is for possible harassment, and allowing even one 3rd party program will open a whole heap of issues with people requesting other ones being allowed to. He also stated that he's able to judge a player's ability to play correctly without a parser, and it's not uncommon for one to check their party's gear to see if you can mass pull if you're a tank, or if you should hold back a little as a DPS so you don't grab aggro, etc.