Change Player Commendations

[Selli]

I can tell that they had used a parser those runs.

Don't need a parser, mate. Generally higher on the enmity table = higher DPS. I tend to commend DPS who keep their buffs up (like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot) and avoid AoEs. Just because someone is doing 1,000 DPS doesn't mean much to me if they're taking extra damage.

[Craiger]

Don't need a parser, mate. Generally higher on the enmity table = higher DPS. I tend to commend DPS who keep their buffs up (like Heavy Thrust and Hot Shot) and avoid AoEs. Just because someone is doing 1,000 DPS doesn't mean much to me if they're taking extra damage.

If you're a tank you can compare with enmity, but a lot of times the tank can't hold aggro on a boss, and I have to stop DPSing for a while. While I would still get pretty good DPS, it's more a case of the tank not being as skilled/under-geared. Another tank might have good enmity, or just play a tank job that has better enmity gain. That would come out as me doing less DPS if you just look at the enmity bar

It's possible to tell anyways, I know... but I think the tank/healer (if any) gets the commendation 9/10 times anyways, unless they use a parser. That's assuming you're doing really good DPS too ofc, enough for them to be impressed.

Dodging etc is more important ofc, but if we're talking about dungeons, that's not really an issue. I never mess up on mechanics in dungeons, and I always do high DPS (I like to set personal records), but I still rarely get commendations

[Selli]

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Most people who use parsers do not use them for more casual content as it is incredibly rude (unless they are trying to see their own damage in an "action situation", that's the only time I could see anyone using a parser in a dungeon). I don't know anyone who uses them outside of raid content, especially to judge other players.

Everyone should be aware of enmity, that's why it can be used as a way to measure DPS. If you're not doing good DPS, you won't be high on the enmity table. That's why I said generally higher enmity = more DPS. If you had to stop attacking to lower your enmity, wouldn't that just make you lower on the parser and thus seem not as good? The enmity list seems like a more reliable gauge in that situation. Even if a tank is fairly geared and has strong lead on enmity, there's still a number/letter priority on the party list, even if the bars are barely visible.

My point is, you don't need to be parsed to get a commendation; the damage you do is only half the battle. The other half is having awareness for yourself and other party members. Keeping buffs up, avoiding AoEs, picking up items (like keys), and watching your enmity, are all signs of a good player that far exceeds pulling xx amount of DPS per encounter. People won't know your exact DPS values, so most people won't particularly care who's top DPS.

[Craiger]

Most people who use parsers do not use them for more casual content as it is incredibly rude (unless they are trying to see their own damage in an "action situation", that's the only time I could see anyone using a parser in a dungeon). I don't know anyone who uses them outside of raid content, especially to judge other players.

Everyone should be aware of enmity, that's why it can be used as a way to measure DPS. If you're not doing good DPS, you won't be high on the enmity table. That's why I said generally higher enmity = more DPS. If you had to stop attacking to lower your enmity, wouldn't that just make you lower on the parser and thus seem not as good? The enmity list seems like a more reliable gauge in that situation. Even if a tank is fairly geared and has strong lead on enmity, there's still a number/letter priority on the party list, even if the bars are barely visible.

My point is, you don't need to be parsed to get a commendation; the damage you do is only half the battle. The other half is having awareness for yourself and other party members. Keeping buffs up, avoiding AoEs, picking up items (like keys), and watching your enmity, are all signs of a good player that far exceeds pulling xx amount of DPS per encounter. People won't know your exact DPS values, so most people won't particularly care who's top DPS.

Yeah, you're right, players can/should be able to determine if someone is good without a parser, but it makes things easier. Btw, I don't use a parser to judge other players, I simply use it for my own sake... the fact that I can see how good the others are, is just a bonus. It's not like I call anyone out for it, but if someone is doing really good on DPS(no matter what role), and don't mess up in any other aspect, I'll give them my commendation. It's hard for to look at the enmity bar and determine if their DPS is good or not, and even more difficult to determine if the tank is doing good DPS while being a good tank.

The point of this thread still stands though... 9/10 times, the tank/healer will get the commendation, for what reason I don't know exactly, but that is the case. It has nothing to do with what you said about having good awareness, dodging AoE etc, cause even a DPS that does all that, probably won't get many commendations. At least not based on that.

[Odett]

If you're not doing good DPS, you won't be high on the enmity table.

That's not true at all. Quelling Strikes can be used by BLMs, BRDs, SMNs, and MCHs. Enmity tables also don't show a SMN's overall DPS because their pet has an individual enmity table. A NIN can use Smoke Screen on you and your enmity will be reduced. A NIN can use Shadewalker and their enmity will be reduced. A Dragoon can use Elusive Jump and their enmity will take a massive instant cut. In other words, MNK is the sole DPS job whose job performance you can most accurately tell by looking at their enmity, and that's only without a NIN in the party.

It's funny, because in MMOs I've played where parsers are completely legal and the majority of the playerbase uses them, you can tell who's a great DPS by seeing how much they're parsing without being high on the threat list due to them using their threat-reducing abilities correctly. In this game, doing exactly what the best DPS would do in another game will often just make you look like a scrub in the eyes of an uninformed player.

[UBERHAXED]

Not too sure, I have very few runs when I don't get more than 1 commendation and most times I DF as DPS. I go into expert with summoner almost guaranties 2 commendations, sometimes 3. Maybe it's not about role and more about people actually giving the commendation to the players they think deserve it (Working as intended)? Although there are plenty times I go as scholar and walk out with 3. I don't given commendations unless I'm impressed with a player. And you can be be sure that who ever got it probably got at least one other player's commendation as well. People saying that mostly healers and tanks get commendations are simply not getting them because they probably haven't impressed anyone. BTW, I don't chat in dungeons so I don't say "Hello" at the beginning or try to be friendly. I just do my job.

[Craiger]

Not too sure, I have very few runs when I don't get more than 1 commendation and most times I DF as DPS. I go into expert with summoner almost guaranties 2 commendations, sometimes 3. Maybe it's not about role and more about people actually giving the commendation to the players they think deserve it (Working as intended)? Although there are plenty times I go as scholar and walk out with 3. I don't given commendations unless I'm impressed with a player. And you can be be sure that who ever got it probably got at least one other player's commendation as well. People saying that mostly healers and tanks get commendations are simply not getting them because they probably haven't impressed anyone. BTW, I don't chat in dungeons so I don't say "Hello" at the beginning or try to be friendly. I just do my job.

While I obviously don't know how it's for everyone here, but I'm sure many are doing a good job, and like I said in my post, I'm doing good every run I do, and still only get 1 commendation every 3-4 runs or something.

I'm not trying to sound like an elitist by that btw, but I like beating my personal records of DPS even in dungeons, so I think I try harder than the most for that type of content.

[StrejdaTom]

In 2 years I got around 400 commendations on my BRD.
Then I got 40 in 2 days while playing AST.

I am probably really bad bard. =(

[loreleidiangelo]

Enmity bar is an absolute crap way of judging performance and I wish people would stop spewing that garbage. The BRD who HAS to pop Quelling Strikes in order to avoid pulling threat during their opening burst would look less skilled to you than the one parsing about 200 DPS less with no enmity reductions required. Parsers could also show that WHM with 50% overheal that they have plenty of time to dip into Cleric's and actually contribute rather than Cure II spamming the WAR with Inner Beast and Vengeance up. (Or my personal favorite, Medica II when no one is taking AOE damage...) It could also show you that the WAR is or isn't using those very CDs I mentioned, though to be fair the buff list usually has tanks pretty well covered in terms of performance. Our DRG uses Elusive Jump in A1S as a means of transit from the original Oppressor to .5; do his lower enmity values mean he's our worst DPS? (Spoiler: he's not.)

These forums sometimes man; smh. Bullying people is never cool, but when we have this system that exists to reward people for their positive attitude and/or performance it sucks when you can't actually, y'know, accurately assess someone's performance. (Nobody dipped below 90% HP, so that means the Med II spamming WHM was a really excellent healer, right? ...Right? XD)

[Krylo]

Enmity bar is an absolute crap way of judging performance and I wish people would stop spewing that garbage. The BRD who HAS to pop Quelling Strikes in order to avoid pulling threat during their opening burst would look less skilled to you than the one parsing about 200 DPS less with no enmity reductions required.

Thank you.

Enmity is only useful for judging DPS if you don't have a SMN (splits enmity with their pet), BLM (quelling), Bard (quelling), MCH (quelling), Ninja (Shadewalker), or Drg (evasive jump) in your party. That's 6 of the 7 DPS roles. Meaning unless you're in a group with two monks and nothing else, you can't just compare the enmity. If any of them used their enmity dumps it's straight broken.