False Scholar comparison

[Sinaloa]

I don´t want to spill oil into the fire but so many threads compare Scholar with the other healers on a basis of potency while wearing the same gear.

You cant do that without altering the results. Scholars base class is arcanist. This class has intelligence as mainstat and thus as trait. A scholar in the same gear will allways have less mind than the other healers.

12,36 mind might not be much but since some people are argueing about stuff that is worth less than 1% I wanted to throw this in.

PS.: The Scholar´s skillset is still the most rewarding healerkit if played well and makes up for this drawback with ease.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

So... what is this topic about? Or at least the purpose of it? A petition to get more mind?

[Sinaloa]

No just a reminder to the people who fight about 0,5% differences but do claim 600 potency on a scholar is worth as much as 600 potency on an astrologer. There are many of those theese days.

[Coltvoyance]

Its more of a Public Service Announcement.

[Lastelli]

This class has intelligence as mainstat and thus as trait

The traits you want to consider are maim and mend I and II that have the following effect respectively: "Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 10%" and Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 30%.
The intelligence trait increases your intelligence for a grand total of...12. Ceteris paribus, this makes SCH 12 mind points behind AST and WHM. The difference is negligible at best...and you always have a pet that outputs a 300 potency mp free cure every three seconds. Only considering one single point and forgetting to take into account the whole healing toolkit of every healer when making comparisons is misleading and useless, which leads us to the relevant statement in the OP:

The Scholar´s skillset is still the most rewarding healerkit if played well and makes up for this drawback with ease.

Thank you for acknowledging this...if you really want to call this minuscule difference in mnd a "drawback".

[Ghishlain]

The traits you want to consider are maim and mend I and II that have the following effect respectively: "Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 10%" and Increases base action damage and HP restoration by 30%.
The intelligence trait increases your intelligence for a grand total of...12. Ceteris paribus, this makes SCH 24 mind points behind AST and WHM. The difference is negligible at best...and you always have a pet that outputs a 300 potency mp free cure every three seconds. Only considering one single point and forgetting to take into account the whole healing toolkit of every healer when making comparisons is misleading and useless, which leads us to the relevant statement in the OP:

Thank you for acknowledging this...if you really want to call this minuscule difference in mnd a "drawback".

I think the point of the OP is that most people don't understand how to theory craft properly and don't know how to theory craft in consistent and controlled ways.

Like how there was the discussion between Nocturnal Aspected Benefic and Adlo where people were just jobs while trying to maintain the same gear without realizing there is a MND difference between AST, WHM, and SCH that could slightly alter the results in their favour. Stuff like that is what the OP is referring too.

[Lastelli]

I think the point of the OP is that most people don't understand how to theory craft properly and don't know how to theory craft in consistent and controlled ways.

That may be so, but still theorycrafting shouldn't care about those traits at all. Given that intelligence and mind traits are fixed values while other stats scale with ilvl, the actual difference is basically nonexistent. Right now, with BiS gear, healers have about 1070 mnd. Even considering a +-12 mnd points difference the results won't change in any significant way. And this will become less and less relevant as ilvl increases (unless traits are reworked). If it was relevant, we should all be keepers of the moon miqo'te because they have higher mind value because of racial differences. As of now, just comparing potencies is a good enough approximation...actually almost a perfect one. I know I don't have to explain such things to you, just wanted to add something to the topic hoping that SCHs here won't start complaining about this too since apparently they're so weak and their skills are so useless :P

[Ghishlain]

That may be so, but still theorycrafting shouldn't care about those traits at all. Given that intelligence and mind traits are fixed values while other stats scale with ilvl, the actual difference is basically nonexistent. Right now, with BiS gear, healers have about 1070 mnd. Even considering a +-12 mnd points difference the results won't change in any significant way. And this will become less and less relevant as ilvl increases (unless traits are reworked). If it was relevant, we should all be keepers of the moon miqo'te because they have higher mind value because of racial differences. As of now, just comparing potencies is a good enough approximation...actually almost a perfect one. I know I don't have to explain such things to you, just wanted to add something to the topic hoping that SCHs here won't start complaining about this too since apparently they're so weak and their skills are so useless :P

lol - well, if the OP was talking about the discussion I listed, they were arguing about a potency of 2 for two spells worth 600 and 602 potency (basically less than 1% difference), so yeah, 12 MND will make or break it when splitting hairs like that >>;

For the absolute min-max hardcore raiders, that'll be important, but the general rank and file like us, not really.

On the topic of "killing all the moon Miqo'te" (plz dun, lol), there was a comment in the group that made the fist A3S kill with an AST where the MCH in their group actually Fantasia'd to Elezen for their clear to get the +3 DEX. (they were originally a Raen Au'ra, I think). So, yeah, that kinda shows how important these "small things" can mean to specific individuals.

But yeah, the salt is real right now. So real. >>; I just want to put the truth down, just hard to find the truth when there's so many numbers and variables, lol.

[Visys]

.and you always have a pet that outputs a 300 potency mp free cure every three seconds..

Daily reminder that Embrace is currently only 200 potency.