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  1. #1
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    Katlyna's Avatar
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    Katrisa Ashe
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ermad View Post
    I have been thinking of trying out the rotation with Muscle Memory over Maker's Mark. Once you get enough Craftsmanship (~819) MuMe + 5xCSII/IngenII is enough for progress, which allows Muscle Memory to take the place of the 6th CSII. The main benefit of it is that it takes 15 steps less for each craft, which when you are making 20 Astral Silk can save a lot of time. What you lose is the almost guaranteed ToT during the 15 steps of Maker's Mark.
    I was considering doing the same. The problem I ran into was that at around 800 Craftsmanship you can flip over to Ingenuity I (which is something I need to highlight on the front page, but I've been too lazy too). In which case you get 16 CP back so if you can scare up 2 extra CP that's a free Percise/basic. The problem is that when you try to flip to Muscle Memory you need Ingenuity II in order to get the same distance (since you have one less Careful Synth benefiting from the buff). So you loose the Flawless proc and your Ingenuity I's extra CP.

    That flustered me super hard when I saw that in the simulator. So I still have't found a Muscle memory rotation I would flip back to over what I'm doing now. Which I HATE because I concur... flawless synths are freaking long (ungawa).
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    Ermad Thane
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    It uses the same base amount of CP as MaMa, since MaMa+CZ = 6CP. So you are just using the 10 extra durability, which is made up for by being able to drop a CSII. Sometimes you are able to drop that CSII with MaMa, but you need pretty good Flawless Synths so you can't rely on it and it only gives you an extra non-SH2 Hasty Touch (which always fail!). So the only advantage I can really see to MaMa is the near guaranteed ToT during it.

    I would use this for final products as well, since I always take Reclaim for those because really bad Hasty Touches can screw you no matter what. Only GSM has enough Cross Class to take both ToT and Reclaim, so you wouldn't see the MaMa benefit for the other classes.
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    [QUOTE=Ermad;3468304]I always take Reclaim for those because really bad Hasty Touches can screw you no matter what./QUOTE]

    I hate reclaim so much. The one time I needed reclaim was three months ago... since then I haven't needed to reclaim once. Though I have had ~3 shoddy end synths, they were all glamor items. The rarity I use reclaim is so vast I have an extremely difficult time justifying it being on my bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Katlyna View Post
    I hate reclaim so much. The one time I needed reclaim was three months ago... since then I haven't needed to reclaim once. Though I have had ~3 shoddy end synths, they were all glamor items. The rarity I use reclaim is so vast I have an extremely difficult time justifying it being on my bar.
    Its like an umbrella, if you don't take it you know its going to rain.

    The one time I didn't take Reclaim for a final product I had like 30% Hasty Touch success, that taught me to always take it.
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    Its tricky though because lets say instead you get to take Innovation which can easily net an extra 10% quality. So if you get 10% extra quality 9 times over the coarse of when you would have used a single reclaim... then you'll better off taking innovation. With this said things are usually a binary 100 or not for me at this point. So the occurrences where Innovate would matter are less than they used to be. But still the occurrences where innovate could be used and would help are VASTLY more common than reclaim attempts for me. Personally I think reclaim should just be a base skill... but I want everything so what can I really say lol.
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    Caimie Tsukino
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    Sorry, I dont wanna open a new thread for this... This is my newest discovery:

    Trick of Trade: ToT (crying face... because the abbrev spells "tot")
    Satisfaction: \o/ (WOOT face... as you can see below)


    Both are CP recovery skills, but one is a sad face and one is a happy face! How ironic! XD
    Yes, I know this is completely off topic and super rihtahted, but Katy will forgive me for this, LOL!
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    “The best crafter is not the one with the best stats, but the one who makes the best use of one’s stats” – By Caimie Tsukino

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    Katrisa Ashe
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    That is freaking hilarious. I never noticed till now haha!
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    Michelle Maddin
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    Id like to thank the OP...I was able to make the initial break in to 2* HQ tools due to the 398 CP rotation. Yeah it can be a little hairy with the hasty touches but it happens more than not.
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    Sethira Phielti
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    I like the detail on your post Katlyna, but I'm surprised at the lack of Piece by Piece.

    I posted these notes on another thread - (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...it?usp=sharing). They're not as pretty as your post and may be really weird and eccentric but demonstrates that craftsmanship does not need to go higher than 725/774. I can also give a nice screenshot:

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