Heavensword 2* Red Scrip Crafting Rotation

[Katlyna]

Another errant note. I was a bit tired when I took screenshots of the extra progress rotations. In the the correct final sequence for proc fishing would be SHII > Hasty > Greater Strides > Ingenuity II > Innovate (if available) > Byregot's > Careful > Careful. I'll try to correct this some time.

[Kiara]

Thanks so much Silverbane, Kat!

Got it.

Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available), and you're counting on... erasing / removing and re-melding later?

[Silverbane]

Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available), and you're counting on... erasing / removing and re-melding later?

When the time comes, I'll either go to Mutamix and get the old materia cleared out, or I'll make a new item, convert the old item to (hopefully) Grade V materia, and put the resulting materia in the new one. Which I do will depend on factors including the relative availability/value of the mats to craft the particular new piece and the Grade 5 materia, and I cannot predict that without knowing what changes/additions SE will make to crafting and gathering by that time.

[TechnoTechie]

Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available)

I wouldn't say "not available" just "difficult to obtain". I got lucky on one of my transmutations and got a craftsmanship V

When the time comes, I'll either go to Mutamix and get the old materia cleared out, or I'll make a new item, convert the old item to (hopefully) Grade V materia, and put the resulting materia in the new one. Which I do will depend on factors including the relative availability/value of the mats to craft the particular new piece and the Grade 5 materia, and I cannot predict that without knowing what changes/additions SE will make to crafting and gathering by that time.

As far as converting i170 crafting gear, I would wait until the patch notes explicitly say that you can gain them from converting. They explicitly stated that you couldn't at the release of 3.0, and did not mention otherwise in subsequent patches.

[Katlyna]

Thanks so much Silverbane, Kat! Also, BTW, to utilize your higher CP / Crafts rotations you list, doesn't that mean that you realistically are melding some pieces *not* at Max Cap (since Tier V not available), and you're counting on... erasing / removing and re-melding later?

I'm aggressive with melds but I did the most logical thing which was to short my craftsmanship on my melds, and leave my main/offhand open for extra craftsman melds if needed. I think I'm one or two stats off max melds on my two star accessories (which is all you need to use my higher CP rotations). Assuming that you max CP melded your i150 gear (which again is what I did).

I should link my recommended i150 left side with i170 right side to reach the max CP.

Also since I'm just short a hint of craftsmanship and like two quality from max, I am not anticipating revising my melds.

[Kiara]

Thanks all! I see.

Yah, I guess part of me (the frugal side LOL), thinks, "Well, if Tier V (for Max) isn't readily available, it feels like a waste of money to meld less than Max right now." Heh.

But there are some good ideas here (such as hopefully by then Tier V is easier to get, and you convert the pieces that weren't maxed out to maybe get a Tier V; or just get close enough etc.). Thanks.

[Katlyna]

One thing I need to math up is what the MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress) would require for craftsmanship, while using Ingenuity I. You could easily pull this off I suspect with Ingenuity I... and when doing so save another 18 CP (granting another free Precise/Basic. I don't think its all that high. According to my math on two star recipies using Ingenuity I Nets 7% less progress (vs Ingenuity II). So roughly speaking you need 7% more craftsmanship to make up this gap. using the example of requiring 10/13 FS.. the bar minimum craftsmanship should be 739 (I list it as 746 which is 718 + foodbuff). So 739 * 1.07 gives us ~790.

So somewhere inbetween 790 and 800 craftsmanship (with your foodbuff included)... you could in theory use the Extra Progress rotations with Ingenuity I. With 419 base CP this would give you two free Precise/Basic (or one free precise and innovate). This would further improve the overall HQ chance nicely, effectively reducing your need to hit another hasty touch.

So in theory:
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 10/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 790-800 Craftsman and 467 CP
MaMa Careful Synth (Max CP, Extra Progress, Ingenuity I, Requires 9/13 Flawless Synth) Required stats 820-830 Craftsman and 467 CP

WARNING THOUGH I need to actually test this theory to see what the craftsman breakpoint actually is. I'll test this out on my blacksmith and weaver this week. I can equip the Blacksmith to be over 830 and Weaver around 790 to test this theory.
* Ewww.. one problem with this theory is you would actually need 421 base since 8+8 is 16 not 18... or you could use HQ Seafood... though a single ToT proc is 20 CP... so one ToT would also put you even. Max equipment CP is 422... so any way you cut it we're getting fairly high end with the rotation theory here. I personally sit at 420 (with +3 CP in main/offhand rather than +4)

[Katlyna]

Updated with a video guide for anyone interested. It covers the basics of the MaMa Careful Synth rotation, when to use ToT, and shows approach making a two star chest piece. Let me know if you have any questions or if you would like to see other crafting videos which don't have good coverage right now.

Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQChyC1EUag

[Caimie_Tsukino]

Video Link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQChyC1EUag

Nice vid! Love the little hand wave at the end! XD

[Alistaire]

Maybe this has been asked but is there a reason you're wasting a maker's mark step on inner quiet instead of doing inner quiet after mark has worn?