Heavensword 2* Red Scrip Crafting Rotation

[AishaNymph]

Yeah and once again if you didn't glance over what I actually contributed you would see why I have that view. Craftsmanship is overrated past 774 for this rotation. People shouldn't even push for that threshold - 727 is enough.

I didnt just glance over, please stop speak for me
You made some points doesnt mean people have to agree with yours, just as you dont have to agree with my view.
Lets just agree to disagree on our take on high craftsmanship and move on

[Sethira]

Lets just agree to disagree on our take on high craftsmanship and move on

Yeah you can do that, I prefer the numbers.

[Aikota]

@Kat Is there a reason you use IQ after the first CZ and not the second? Your'e missing out on an extra FS and potentially another ToT if everything goes right.

[Silverbane]

@Kat Is there a reason you use IQ after the first CZ and not the second? Your'e missing out on an extra FS and potentially another ToT if everything goes right.

it may be because you can never have more CP than you started with. CZ will recover all but 6 CP of the 66+20 CP cost of MaMa+CZ. So if you want to get more than 6 CP from ToT'ing any G/E that occur during the FS, you need to spend some additional CP before the FS's. IQ is a good choice for that spending.

[AishaNymph]

So I just came up with this 2star rotation for my BSM which only need 8 cross class skills to work. Left 2 sorts for reclaim and ToT

The rotation features 12HT, all buffed by SH2
And a IG2 buffed BB

With my current craftsmanship + HQ Baked Onion Soup
Apparently I can effort 5 failed FS (can take one ToT max)
I haven't tested it in-game yet, will update my result later




-----------edit 2 (tested in game, and I just realized this is the rotation I came up earlier for 1star lol )-------------
With 899 craftsmanship, I was able to complete the craft with 8 FS during FS phase

In rare occasion when all FS succeed (one failed FS is allowed if move IQ to the 2nd CZ, can wait a few FS first and see how they go, then decide whether you want to push for 13FS or apply IQ so you can take ToT ).
This let me cut out the final CS2 and use one more HT under SH2, total 13 HT attempts.



In both cases, my actual progression end up slightly higher than the simulator. (1460 vs 1455 &　1447　vs 1441)
So I guess if the simulator show you can finish the craft with my rotation, you should be safe

-----------------------edit 3--------------------
466cp , 762base craftsmanship version, can fail 4 FS out of the 14FS, got 11 HT attempt

[Sethira]

So I just came up with this 2 star rotation for my BSM which only need 8 cross class skills to work. Left 2 sorts for reclaim and ToT

Hate to bring it up again but pushing for that much craftsmanship for the simple benefit of spending even more CP across more steps with presumably less basic /precise touch seems like a huge waste of melds. Maker's Mark/Flawless Synthesis and Piece by Piece is pragmatic because so much of the 1436 progress is fixed. So I have to reaffirm my position that you've wasted a lot of melds on craftsmanship, and brands are not well suited for master-craft compared to other options.

[AishaNymph]

Snip

This one is designed with different goal, one extra touch and low cross class skill dependency
The big hinder is less chance to take ToT and can only BT/PT when got ToT

For comparison
Rath's rotation cost 58 CP (22 is optional but a failed PbP will cost you 10 durability+15 CP extra ) and 50 durability
This one cost 87 cp (The IG2 will buff BB also) and 40 durability

If replace one ht with CS2 and move the IQ to 2nd CZ, can lower the craftsmanship to around 762 (+28 from food = 790) while still able to affort 4 failed FS.
My craftsmanship just let me get one extra touch

[Sethira]

This one is designed with different goal, one extra touch and low cross class skill dependency
The big hinder is less chance to take ToT and can only BT/PT when got ToT

My craftsmanship just let me get one extra touch

I can appreciate the idea of making use of craftsmanship you already have, but pushing for it even as blacksmith is not necessary. Innovation and Ingenuity II are still not as good as just having more stacks so the CP is better spent on basic/precise touches.

[AishaNymph]

For rath's rotation, BSM can only choose one of the three skills (reclaim, innov, ToT)

If take ToT, it will most likely allow you to use more PT/BT but no reclaim to protect (well.. 90% of the time) you from failing too many HT
If take innov, you can use one PT/BT or innov , no reclaim
If take reclaim, you can only use one PT/BT

I personally will stick to rath's rotation for my other classes but most likely will switch to the name/band for my BSM

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Innovation and Ingenuity II are still not as good as just having more stacks so the CP is better spent on basic/precise touches.

Two things.

First, I have not tested lately, but how much Quality does Ingenuity 2 actually provide? My tests had shown it did not bump BB (or any other Quality move) at all. When did it start?

Two, Innovation is BETTER than 1 additional stack of Inner Quiet. Two or more are better than saving for Innovation, but if it is a choice of 1 more or Innovation, take the Innovation.