But what about Summoner???

[NinjaTaru72]

im sure this has been posted/asked/w.e a few times. so im sorry in advance. but...

what ever happened to smn getting ramuh and leviathan? last time I remember them talking about it was that they didn't want to add them till other classes got more skills so it was fair.


yet here we get our expansion, new level cap, new skills....and not a new egi.... would have been a perfect chance(55 and 60) to add new egis....

has anything been said recently abut this? did I miss something that maybe they are not coming anymore? or what?

[Zodiar]

I think they decided against that and instead they are doing skins for the current pets

[Dree-Elle]

Not happening. We're getting a Glamour System for our current Egis at some unknown point in the future, but no actual new Egis.

They also made an excuse for it using lore during the SMN 50-60 questline.

[Shadowsun]

The SMN quest even tells you right off the bat at lvl50: No Ramuh-Egi or of other primals because they are too stronk to steal part of their essence. So instead you get to channel Bahamut's power, which works just as well for me, way more fun to play now. Who cares about the pet? FF Summoners have always been about unleashing large powers, not being a pet handler.

[Saggo]

Who cares about the pet? FF Summoners have always been about unleashing large powers, not being a pet handler.

The last 5 Final Fantasies have had summons as separate entities and most gave you control over behavior, so thats not really true.

[silentwindfr]

The last 5 Final Fantasies have had summons as separate entities and most gave you control over behavior, so thats not really true.

actually quite untrue

FF8, you was calling the summon he was doing him attack and was disappear right after
FF9, same
FF10, you have a partial control of it
FF11, mmorpg bad example
FF12, you call it, but exept the big attack you have no control over him behaviour
FF13, like the 10.

only 2 of the last FF allows you a certain control over your summons, outside this...

by the way, they did this for make the summoner and the black mage different, since in the end often the summoner skill are principally massive AoE

ps: i don't count FF11 since a mmorpg will make the summoner a pet class generally. FF12 was made on a model of mmorpg, but i still count it.

[Saggo]

I count 11 seeing as we're playing an MMO too.

[silentwindfr]

even with FF11 we are far from the 5 game... in the whole FF series and spin off, you have about 4 game that allows a certain control over the summons over more of 20 games... that too little for really make it what define a jobs.

the 4th one is Final Fantasy type-0 that allows a full control over the summon.

and like said MMORPG are made for make caster different then summoner jobs tend to become a pet class. but even in this case, your control over the pet is quite limited.

[Khalithar]

The last 5 Final Fantasies have had summons as separate entities and most gave you control over behavior, so thats not really true.

FFXI is the best example of allowing you to do this. I actually would have preferred the FFXI model where you summon a large version of the summon which acts as a pet, but it's not there to supplement your dps. The summon was your dps, it was about commanding and controlling the powerful creature and having it do your bidding for you. I actually think that would have been the better implementation of the Summoner, but MMO's in general have tried to move away from combat pets being anything more than a glorified dot. That irritates me, I'd rather get a pet class where the focus was the pet doing the damage and fighting for you while you get to sit back and give it orders.

[silentwindfr]

FFXI is the best example of allowing you to do this. I actually would have preferred the FFXI model where you summon a large version of the summon which acts as a pet, but it's not there to supplement your dps. The summon was your dps, it was about commanding and controlling the powerful creature and having it do your bidding for you. I actually think that would have been the better implementation of the Summoner, but MMO's in general have tried to move away from combat pets being anything more than a glorified dot. That irritates me, I'd rather get a pet class where the focus was the pet doing the damage and fighting for you while you get to sit back and give it orders.

FF11 model is one of the worst exemple of pet class, since most of the time, people was calling the pet, doing one spell and send it away, since the pet was draining all your mana. other point if you was doing this, what will you do exept spend your time at virtually do nothing... you become not different than a minion.

ps: i think they have found a good balance between us and pet damage.