My AST experience and what I expect from now on...

[Rin_Kuroi]

Please...just please...no. How is applying a fey dots and spamming broil "overcomplicated"?

Come now. I'm a terrible sch but even I know there's more to it then that. Life drain, bane and aetherflow stack management is part of it too. A whm only needs only 3 keys and can do some very nice burst damage. Maybe even sustained if given the opportunity.

[SenzorialBoundries]

Out of curiosity, why don't you like Broil? It's potent and straight forward.

I like broil too but its nothing special its not a bad skill by any stretch of imagination but its nothing special either.

[Soyre_Monre]

Come now. I'm a terrible sch but even I know there's more to it then that. Life drain, bane and aetherflow stack management is part of it too. A whm only needs only 3 keys and can do some very nice burst damage. Maybe even sustained if given the opportunity.

whm sustained dps isn't that high, just on st (and it shine only on bursts), but it require a lot of mana. Scholar can dps with very little mana issue, and only if spamming a lot of broils.
Also, every whm spell can miss, while scholar has Bio, Bio2 and Shadowflare 100% hit.
The rotation, also, is very easy. Bio2, miasma, bio, aero, shadoflare and when dots are up just broil spam. Miasma2 and Blizz2 if a lot target. Energy between spells if you don't need lustrates or indom and bane if multidotting is required.
In A1S dotting both oppressor is a strong source of damage and in A2S scholar is godlike thanks to bane and vulnerability stacks. Dots also require less uptime than whm to be very effective.

[Rin_Kuroi]

I like broil too but its nothing special its not a bad skill by any stretch of imagination but its nothing special either.

Its no stone 3 that's for sure.

[Lastelli]

Come now. I'm a terrible sch but even I know there's more to it then that. Life drain, bane and aetherflow stack management is part of it too. A whm only needs only 3 keys and can do some very nice burst damage. Maybe even sustained if given to opportunity.

Healers' dps rotation is pretty straightforward. When dpsing, you generally want to apply dots->bane if multitarget->energy drains and broil spam (dissipation for more energy drain in some circumstances). Reapply dots when they're about to fall off. There are minor variations depending on the fight, but this is pretty much it. It's more complicated than the trivial WHM "rotation", if you can call it that...but it's still very easy. in this case, more complicated also means (much) higher dps. Also, WHM is the one that usually heals for the most part and it hardly has the chance to dps for longer periods of time (you usually apply aero 3 and 2, maybe one stone 3 and you must fo back to healing), you can't ask for an easier way to dps with a sch. It's already very, very easy. And very effective as well since in A2S a sch can easily reach 900 edps and in A1S around 500.

[Rin_Kuroi]

whm sustained dps isn't that high, just on st (and it shine only on bursts), but it require a lot of mana. Scholar can dps with very little mana issue, and only if spamming a lot of broils.
Also, every whm spell can miss, while scholar has Bio, Bio2 and Shadowflare 100% hit.
The rotation, also, is very easy. Bio2, miasma, bio, aero, shadoflare and when dots are up just broil spam. Miasma2 and Blizz2 if a lot target. Energy between spells if you don't need lustrates or indom and bane if multidotting is required.
In A1S dotting both oppressor is a strong source of damage and in A2S scholar is godlike thanks to bane and vulnerability stacks. Dots also require less uptime than whm to be very effective.

That seems so much more complicated to me than whm. Maybe aero 3, aero 2, then stone 3 spam. Aero 1 or fluid aura during movement. Add pot + pom as needed. That at least results in some solid burst. Properly timed shrouds help too. If we didnt have to heal our ass off I could see it being a lot more sustainable.

[Soyre_Monre]

It's of course more complicated, but just because sch has more dps spells than white mage, but it's still very easy to manage, nothing even near what dps have to do to sustain a good damage.

Without taking raid in consideration, in dungeon for example you pre-shield the tank, after you focus one target with the 3 main dot and then bane them to the other mobs. In addition to this, just shadoflare on the ground and one miasma 2 if really a lot mobs. You can switch back to heal after this if needed, if not you go with broil spam.
It require 10s to cast everything and it does a tons of dps. Fairy help a lot giving you more time to dps.
As whm, if few target you apply dot and than spam stone 3, if a lot you just spam holy.

Dps isn't really different, if the pull is short is higher on whm, if long is better on scholar. But the true difference is that scholar can heal more while dpsing and while whm drain a lot of mp, scholar is almost completely free.

You just need to train a bit, then you'll see that sch is really easy and rewarding :3

[Rin_Kuroi]

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Dungeons are a whole different story. Whm sustainabilty isnt an issue here and I can go all out most of the time while rarely needing to heal aside from hots. Its comparable to sch and much easier to bring to bear. The way I dps on sch are the same methods everyone is using in this thread. Maybe its the gear differences between the two but I often do much better on my whm.

[Muahbec]

I'll post whatever I like. You stop whining.

Oh the ignorance, go home troll.

[DkDerek]

You know that point when your exaggeration is so extreme that you don't even have a point anymore? Yeah.

Anyways they don't care about scholar and it's evident from a laundry list of 3.0 changes.

Why would they care? The class has been busted for a year and a half. They deserve no changes for the next 3 expansions, while the other healing jobs grow around them. At that point they might be balanced.