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    SenzorialBoundries's Avatar
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    Polaris Sonata
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    Arcanist Lv 60

    My problems with AST buffs.

    You see its not the potencies that bother me, its the fact that they did not build arround what made the class unique , cards. They took the path of least ressistance and just buffed all potencies basically making AST a carbon copy of WHM/SCH. What is the point? It's not about replacing its about meaningful choices. Why play AST over WHM and vice versa when they both basically do the same exact thing. Its not a matter of meaning its just a preference.
    I don't want them to have the same generic healing potencies of the other classes, I like the idea of faster, weaker heals. I also don't want them to make Disable a rebranded Virus, or CU a rebranded sacred soil etc. I also don't want them to completely butcher the RNG. That's part of the appeal of the class. I'd rather them build around it and make the individual cards less useless.
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    Dante Venarra
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    Okay. Well this is a community and it extends well beyond your personal needs. People play the class for various reasons, value is entirely subjective opinion. And while I don't disagree they could have played on various ideas more to make them different the brutal honesty here is that the FFXIV community is INCAPABLE of understanding or relating to these concepts and would rather promote homogenization by excluding classes and then later complaining about homogenization. It is 100% the community's demand to either push AST out of groups, and push for this homogenization and they got it. The players of this game are simply not capable of accepting various differences outside of strict role sets and it shows to a great degree.
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    Veigas Shiffer
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Oh the drama.
    Seriously, play your SCH and be happy with it.
    AST is not even your main, why do you complain?
    Again, go play your job and be happy with it, leave AST and its players alone.
    AST wasn't working the way they were before so they got buffed, nothing more than that, stop crying no one's going to replace you.
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    Last edited by Muahbec; 08-27-2015 at 10:07 PM.

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    Lastelli Sungsem
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    Its not a matter of meaning its just a preference.
    Just like it should be in a game like this. You choose the job you like most without having to worry about being underpowered with respect to other jobs of your same role and being left behind for harder content.
    As for the rest of your comment, you're just saying that you don't like AST concept. We've been knowing for months that AST was going to be a hybrid healer, why do you start complaining now?

    Why play AST over WHM and vice versa when they both basically do the same exact thing.
    Stil they have some differences. Why do I choose a specific melee when they all have their rotations that anyway are just about chaining skills? There are subtle differences that you will notice after you try using WHM or AST in harder content...but you can't do it, as your AST is lvl 45 and your WHM is lvl 50, right?
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    Last edited by Lastelli; 08-27-2015 at 01:02 AM.

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    All I see is a SCH who feels threatened that AST might replace them. Your previous posts say as much, at least.
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    Adore Mi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sylentmana View Post
    All I see is a SCH who feels threatened that AST might replace them. Your previous posts say as much, at least.
    This is also what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLadMSP View Post
    This is also what I see.
    Cool but i got a static , only my clas individuality feels threatened and i played many many many mmorgps and class individuality is very important in an mmo, classes need to be different not rebranded and recycled skills.
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    Lucille Lifeblossom
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    A lot of people want AST to be something different and a lot of people also feel that there isn't enough uniqueness. A lot of people also like the way the job is right now. What would you do for those people? Toss them in the bin?
    The reason the base potencies should be higher (they are if you factor in Sect boni) if not the same, right now, is that Nocturnal Sect, Diurnal Sect, Spread, Royal Road, Shuffle and more all add relatively little power and are there to manipulate the odds in your favor (except when, you know, draw Spire four times in a row. Yeah). We were paying a double tax to begin with. We were paying tax on having cards (which used action slots for valuable cooldowns) and we were paying tax for.. what exactly were we paying it for again? On being a 'hybrid' (really, the only thing we benefit from is not having to level two jobs. As if that is truly so hard), so our potencies were lower than SCH/WHM (which is fixed now).
    Complaining is too easy.
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    Last edited by AzureFlare; 08-27-2015 at 01:21 AM. Reason: Small addition.

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    Richard Butte
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    I suggested something called the "Gambler Stance" for AST a while back.

    Basically, if GS is on, your heals are weaker while the card buffs are MUCH more potent. With it off, the heals would be what they are now with the card buffs being what they are now.

    That may make AST too versatile, though, so maybe they just need to make the card buffs a bit flashier and interesting instead...
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    Spark Joy
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    Quote Originally Posted by RichardButte View Post
    so maybe they just need to make the card buffs a bit flashier and interesting instead...
    I'd rather they expand on the idea of buffing and shift how Nocturnal & Diurnal works instead of literally gaining SCH shields or WHM regens. While one could argue they're buffs themselves, adding in some differences in healing would be nice. 'Cause at this very moment, we're healers who have buffs... sometimes (thanks Spire). But I doubt there will be a huge change in things since I believe that's beyond SE's comfort zone and unrealistic in terms of resources & timing. But who knows!?

    Quote Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries View Post
    I also don't want them to make Disable a rebranded Virus, or CU a rebranded sacred soil etc.
    The buffs were wonderful though. Disable & CU needed those buffs. Disable's idea works like Virus but is different, plus having it work on one action is beyond ridiculous--especially for multihitting attacks (3k Tone Missile, Titan Stomps). CU also sucked beyond belief. 200 Potency to 600 potency max (3 GCDs) in Alex Savage is silly, especially since its range was pitful prior to the buffs. Now its range is justified and it is like our little Whispering Dawn :3

    And o m g. Synastry!
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