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  1. #91
    Player Kosmos992k's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    That is a playstyle, though. It should be respected as such, right? Otherwise, that's like saying that those who wanted to see the story of FFXIV during Coil days "Had such a narrow focus", and that it was "Limiting their expectations" - It's the kind of arguement that can go around to everything, and doesn't really serve to better the game at all.
    Respected? Surely. But is it respectful to ignore the obvious flaw in that playstyle and say nothing?

    I don't see how you can make the assertion that people wanting to see the story elements in coil exhibited a narrow focus in a story based game. FFXIV is a story based game, seeing the story is a core part of playing it. It's the heart of the game and hardly represents such a tiny portion of the game that it can be described as a narrow focus. Unlike Alex Savage which is truly a tiny portion of the game.

    The reason I can't quite take your argument seriously is the miniscule number of people who've even attempted Floor 1 in savage mode. For that matter the completion % for Coil is still pretty poor. We're talking about content that will obviously only ever be played by a tiny fraction of the playerbase. It seems that this is really becoming a situation of the tail wagging the dog, except that it's really a tuft of fur on the end of the tail wagging both the tail and the dog.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    I'm sure they're not the sole reason, but is it unrealistic to believe that such progression would be the -height- of their enjoyment? That it's something they are anticipating, looking forward to, and psyched to do?
    I'm replying in this thread and another where players have pretty much expressed that it's their only reason. I could (but won't) quote hundreds, if not thousands of posts from this forum where posters had complained vocally about how they have nothing to do but cap their tomes and run their raid. There are a surprisingly large number of people who confirm by their words that their reasons for playing FFXIV are indeed predicated on the top tier raid content.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eidolon View Post
    You assume this means that's -all- they can enjoy. I think it's moreso about enabling them to enjoy the content without hindering them as the current model stipulates.
    Again, I could (but won't) quite numerous posts from players who have expressed exactly that sentiment, that the top tier raid is all that they can enjoy. If this particular lockout (in place to pace progress) on this particular piece of content is an issue, and the player literally can't or won't fill their play time with other things - as intended by the game designers - then how is the solution to screw over everyone else because a tiny minority of players can't find anything else to do but farm the same limited amount of content?
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    Last edited by Kosmos992k; 08-27-2015 at 03:14 AM.

  2. #92
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    loreleidiangelo's Avatar
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    Thought the floor 1 Savage numbers were clears only, not number of players who have attempted it. The translation on that slide was misleading, because it showed that 0 people had "entered" floor 4 which was patently false at the time of the census.
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    Quote Originally Posted by loreleidiangelo View Post
    Thought the floor 1 Savage numbers were clears only, not number of players who have attempted it. The translation on that slide was misleading, because it showed that 0 people had "entered" floor 4 which was patently false at the time of the census.
    That is correct, it is the number of players who have cleared each floor.
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  4. #94
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    Reinha's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renault View Post
    I see this response a lot, and it's an honestly ignorant one, and I mean that in the least offensive way possible.

    Quick insight: As a progression raider, . . .
    It's no more ignorant than wishing a casual game full off casual players was tailored to savage raiders. Btw, I know full well what progression raiding is like. None of what you said changes the fact that you choose to take part in this competitive marathon voluntarily. No pain no gain, as it is in any race.

    Saying that, I actually understand where you are coming from. Doing repetitive chores all week when you are already putting a lot of nights to progression is tiring. However, trying to solve it by screwing over the majority of players is not the way to go. Both of your suggestions would have a negative impact on normal mode raiders. It took me a whopping 2 minutes to come up with a solution that wouldn't. Make Alex normal gear scale to 170 (or another value) in savage mode and remove that scaling in a future patch. If WoW's programmers can make individual gear pieces scale depending on the instance, then I'm sure SE can pull it off too.

    All of this thread you have repeatedly accused people of not being able to see things from your point of view, and yet you have put no effort whatsoever into understanding casual players or into trying to find a solution that would satisfy all parties.
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    Last edited by Reinha; 08-27-2015 at 05:55 PM.

  5. #95
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    Miscreant's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Then why are you crying about it? Only salty ones in here are the folks agreeing with OP.
    Do you actually have a point? Or are you arguing for the sake of it?

    I'm not crying about anything in here, it's one of the few topics that have come up on these forums that's actually half decent. You know, instead of scrubs asking to get stuff for no effort, crying about weapons not having special skills or making up broken jobs and arguing with everyone about them.

    I'm not asking for A1 & 2 be nerfed, why would I ask for them to nerf content I've had on farm for a month now. What I'm saying is that Alexander Normal and Savage should be treated as separate entities, they should have been released together with out one being the requirement to enter the other. E.g. you can enter Savage without clearing normal and law gear was 190 so that you didn't need to grind Alexander Normal to gear up for Savage. That way the raid is a new experience for progression players, we get to look forward to new cut scenes after clearing turns and get to fight bosses for the first time without them being a face roll. And with this casual players can still do the normal raids, experience the story and get their gear. It's not really that unreasonable of a statement really, obviously it's to late as the raids have already begun but hopefully it's something that's considered for the next Alexander raid.

    In another thread Kosmos992k made the suggestion of next tier of Savage raids unlocked by clearing the current Savage without the need for clearing the new Normal. That would seem like a good way of not spoiling whats to come as you go through progression.
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