Lilies on the grave... (HW-spoiler ahead!)

[Ayuhra]

I think you're just being stubborn and, in which case, you can't really be reasoned with.

I am just going by the FF wiki that says KO status is sometimes Killed Off or Dead (not to be confused as actual plot-related death). I said "some titles". I don't play a healer maybe the tooltips do say you bring unconscious people back all I know is when *I* get brought up it asks me it I want to receive a "resurrection" and I rise up on a beam of heavenly light with feathers floating around me. I made assumptions based on that. KO vs Death when it comes to MMOs can be hazy to me when the animations clearly show one thing vs another.

Anyway, whether players are KOed or not is not really the point at the heart of my argument here....I don't even HAVE an argument here.... But everyone is latching on to the KO thing.

Alright here's what I am trying to get at: Healers feel like they can resurrect people and heal from grievous injury so I am saying Haurchefant's death must be a whammy to them. My healer friend was screaming "I can fix this" after a Vault run. I am a BLM the most I could have done is Mana Ward but she was a healer. Haurchefant took a devastating blow from a Primal through his torso but she's healed me up (not from a KO) after taking much dumber hits than that.

Again, I am not saying we SHOULD have been able to save him based on our combat abilities. Ludo narrative dissonance is a thing that is unavoidable in story driven RPGs. I am saying my sympathies go to healers who probably had the most kneejerk "I could have saved him" reaction. Paladins probably were shocked for similar reasons....Watching someone take a hit for them when all they do is take hits all day. And with shields, better ones than Haurchefant's.

I agree I don´t really know how our characters still can be right in the head with everything that happened. Especially since we survived a whole dungeon before that happened and yet we don´t even notice that something is coming our way and we just stand there instead of maybe helping Haurchefant with it or even pushing him out of the way..for me the perfect way would have been, if we saw what will happen in some kind of echo vision and to avoid it we push him out of the way and with that its us that is getting hurt but because we have our dear plot armor we survive this. We could have some nice cutscenes with the other characters worrying about us and maybe some angst but for me it would feel even better to defeat Thordan and his knights because we would not be at 100%. (This is all just my opinion, I am quite sure that a lot of people would hate something like that XD)

Thinking about it, I would have preferred the story had done this. Not just because at least one of my favorite characters would have made it but because I love the idea of the Warrior of Light actually suffering physically and having to push through it. When we lost our Light I thought the story was going to do something with it but it didn't quite. We slowly regained it throughout Heavensward. I *liked* that plot thread, though, so us taking a hit from the Knights to save someone we care about when our own Light is not as strong as it used to be would have made for an interesting turn in events for us. Well....who knows. The Garleans and Ascians may have ways to bring us lower than we could ever imagine still.

Until then, to go back to this thread's original point, letting us lay flowers for our departed comrade is literally the LEAST they could do for our WoL's surely wavering sanity.

[Seunkii]

<_< Maybe if enough people put flowers on his grave, he could come back.

That would cheapen the whole Vault thing though.

[Soldowner]

I feel like I'm probably the only person who was unmoved by that scene. In Izayoi's case, I just pretend whenever there's some emotional event that she has to participate in, she just fakes feeling sad. The way I envisioned my character isn't one that's falling apart at the seams like everybody else envisions their characters to be doing. Izayoi is just fine with all the death around, and fully expects more dead before the very end. Maybe I'm just griping here, but that's why I feel like emotions shouldn't be tied to the cutscene if the protagonist has to participate. Some people, like me or my character, just don't care one way or the other.

[Cilia]

...I feel like emotions shouldn't be tied to the cutscene if the protagonist has to participate. Some people, like me or my character, just don't care one way or the other.

Well congratulations, you and your character are officially killer robots.

/sarcasm

In all honesty, more people than not probably want the Warrior of Light in emotional cutscenes because it shows that they're attached to the world and people in it. Otherwise, what reason have you for doing everything other than for shits and giggles or out of pure survival instinct?

[Soldowner]

Well congratulations, you and your character are officially killer robots.

/sarcasm

In all honesty, more people than not probably want the Warrior of Light in emotional cutscenes because it shows that they're attached to the world and people in it. Otherwise, what reason have you for doing everything other than for shits and giggles or out of pure survival instinct?

Hey, no need to be snide, I fully acknowledge I'm a terrible person!

In all seriousness, though, you don't need to be attached to the people to fight for your own survival or the survival of the world you live in. Even if you're living solely for yourself, you have to be alive to do that. It's either that or acting solely off the basis of "this is your duty, so see it through." Those are two very viable reasons to not care about the people around you. Sure, normal people develop bonds over time, but it's not always true or always a fact. I actually barely remembered the silver/blue haired Elezen guy up until he was forefront, and even then, it wasn't a major blow to see him die. There was a bit of dissonance there for me personally since, given the very start, emotionlessly killing things seemed like what the character was good at.

[Ayuhra]

Maybe I'm just griping here, but that's why I feel like emotions shouldn't be tied to the cutscene if the protagonist has to participate. Some people, like me or my character, just don't care one way or the other.

I can see the issue of showing the WoL emoting but I feel (me personally, not saying everyone else has to feel this way) that giving the WoL expressions makes them feel more like part of the world and story. An active participant rather than some impassive observer.

The death of Lord Haurchefant is by far the most emoting I've seen the Warrior do so far, of course. Normally all you get is a stoic nod or a brief, sad glance over a shoulder (maybe this is changing now, though, I enjoyed Gale's frequent expressions of total abject confusion in Rising). There have been some people on the forums and in game who were confused, wondering if their WoL was rushing off for romantic evenings with the Lord of Dragonhead while the game was off. In the German version, though, it makes it seem more like your Warrior probably didn't do anything to return the feelings until his final moments....

....N....Nobody read the German version of the Vault scenes. My heart....

[Soldowner]

I can see the issue of showing the WoL emoting but I feel (me personally, not saying everyone else has to feel this way) that giving the WoL expressions makes them feel more like part of the world and story. An active participant rather than some impassive observer.

The death of Lord Haurchefant is by far the most emoting I've seen the Warrior do so far, of course. Normally all you get is a stoic nod or a brief, sad glance over a shoulder (maybe this is changing now, though, I enjoyed Gale's frequent expressions of total abject confusion in Rising). There have been some people on the forums and in game who were confused, wondering if their WoL was rushing off for romantic evenings with the Lord of Dragonhead while the game was off. In the German version, though, it makes it seem more like your Warrior probably didn't do anything to return the feelings until his final moments....

....N....Nobody read the German version of the Vault scenes. My heart....

I don't actually know how to read German. Please enlighten me. I have to know for science!

[Ayuhra]

I don't actually know how to read German. Please enlighten me. I have to know for science!

Well as we know when Haurchefant lays dying in the English version he says "You...you are unharmed? F-Forgive me... I could not bear the thought of...of... Oh, do not look at me so. A smile better suits a hero..."

In German it's "Odd…We’re finally so close, and yet ...I can hardly feel you… Now, don’t be sad… It doesn’t suit you…my hero…"

It gives the impression that he's been longing to be close to you but hasn't been until that moment. And that moment IS the very first time we see the Warrior of Light touching someone. Touch is usually a big no in this game due to the insane size differences between playable races.

[Soldowner]

Well as we know when Haurchefant lays dying in the English version he says "You...you are unharmed? F-Forgive me... I could not bear the thought of...of... Oh, do not look at me so. A smile better suits a hero..."

In German it's "Odd…We’re finally so close, and yet ...I can hardly feel you… Now, don’t be sad… It doesn’t suit you…my hero…"

It gives the impression that he's been longing to be close to you but hasn't been until that moment. And that moment IS the very first time we see the Warrior of Light touching someone. Touch is usually a big no in this game due to the insane size differences between playable races.

Ahhh, unrequited love. Still, you would think fighting back to back in battle would be enough for the guy! That's as close as it gets!

[Ayuhra]

I'm sure he thought fighting alongside the WoL was....well...splendid! Just splendid!